[Brown Bomber]

Originally Posted by MrPudding

Unless I am mistaken, we should be looking at the European Convention on Human Rights. I would guess that this is where the particular rights in question flow from.

Freedom of religion is covered by Article 9. Article 9, like several of the other rights, it is a qualified right.
[/LIST]Section 2 is the interesting part and clearly allows for restrictions in this area.
MrP

It does but obviously wearing an burkha or any other item of clothing does not fall under

"are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. "

[Dades]

There is already a *comprehensive* thread on Burkas. We don't need spillover here. New posts on that subject will be deleted/moved.

[Lucy8080]

o.k.



it seems that both michael and b.b. are in dispute over freedom of conscience. both cite it in their arguments.

can all parties here tell me what that phrase means to them personally.

im all ears. i dont want to jump the gun.

[Lucy8080]

thx for ur reply mr. p.

[MrPudding]

Originally Posted by Brown Bomber

It does but obviously wearing an burkha or any other item of clothing does not fall under

"are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. "

Responded in the "correct" thread.

MrP

[MrPudding]

Originally Posted by Lucy8080

thx for ur reply mr. p.

You're welcome. Are you going to show me which of my corrections were incorrect?

MrP

[Lucy8080]

mr.p.

i can answer ur question. but, im not gonna make u a sacrificial lamb in this thread....or,let others hide behind ur shield of honesty.

i asked you one question...you ansewered factually and honestly....much credit. it was an unfair burden i placed on you.

if you have family or kids....i give you my word i wont offend their rights or freedoms or responsibilities.

lets form a queue for replies to questions.

and let all those who thanked mr.p. explain themselves.

mr. p. deserves a little more defence than that.

if they cannot explain themselves mr. p.....ill not leave this thread without answering your question.

in the meantime...take a backseat...you deserve it. let others take the burden...ill have a reply for em.

u have earnt my respect...right or wrong....none of us are infallable...

[MrPudding]

Originally Posted by Lucy8080

mr.p.

i can answer ur question. but, im not gonna make u a sacrificial lamb in this thread....or,let others hide behind ur shield of honesty.

i asked you one question...you ansewered factually and honestly....much credit. it was an unfair burden i placed on you.

if you have family or kids....i give you my word i wont offend their rights or freedoms or responsibilities.

lets form a queue for replies to questions.

and let all those who thanked mr.p. explain themselves.

mr. p. deserves a little more defence than that.

if they cannot explain themselves mr. p.....ill not leave this thread without answering your question.

in the meantime...take a backseat...you deserve it. let others take the burden...ill have a reply for em.

u have earnt my respect...right or wrong....none of us are infallible...

Are you drunk? Seems like you have had a good night. Whilst your concern for my wellbeing is touching, it is somewhat misplaced. I am a big boy and I can look after myself.

You said my posts were incorrect so it is up to you to explain what parts of my posts you think are incorrect and why. I will then likely respond. Nice and simple. My exams are over for the year so it is not really a burden. I am not sure I understand why people who thanked my posts have to explain themselves.

MrP

[Lucy8080]

mr.p.

what are you defending? ive already said earlier in this thread i trust my post versus yours.

accussations of drunkeness... whilst the dear leader and followers put you up on the ramparts?

im sure you are a big guy mr. p.....

why not reread this thread...and figure out why the thanks are dropping off.

if they pick up again i wont ask you to explain!

ill ask michael.

[MrPudding]

Originally Posted by Lucy8080

mr.p.

what are you defending? ive already said earlier in this thread i trust my post versus yours.

I am struggling to suck any meaning out of your posts, if think that by saying you trust your post over mine you are saying that you think my post is wrong in some way, which is where my earlier request came from, but I will get back to that...

Originally Posted by Lucy8080

accussations of drunkeness...

If it walks like a duck...

Originally Posted by Lucy8080

whilst the dear leader and followers put you up on the ramparts?

What? OD you think we have a rota or something? That it was my turn on the late shift to "protect" the forum from random drunken theists?

Originally Posted by Lucy8080

why not reread this thread...and figure out why the thanks are dropping off.

if they pick up again i wont ask you to explain!

ill ask michael.

What does this even mean?

Let me summarise things for you:

You make a couple of inaccurate statements, for example:

Originally Posted by Lucy8080

we did not sign up to such an arrangement....at least i hope we did not.

I responded with a couple of posts explaining how things actually work, as opposed to how you seem to think they works. You responded to this this meaningless garbage and went off on some stupid tangent about how Michael had not thanked my post.


As a result, Michael thanked my post and posted this:

Originally Posted by Michael Nugent

I'm afraid my thanking record is somewhat erratic.

I've now thanked Mr P for correcting Lucy, and thanked Lucy for reminding me to do so.

You then responded this this gem:

Originally Posted by Lucy8080

the other thing was...im surprised you thanked mr.p for correcting me!

i dont think he did. im quite happy for my post and mr.p,s correction to stand side by side.

quite an incorrect correction, in my view...

And this is the post that I am referring to when I ask you to point out the mistakes in my posts. Michael has said I corrected your posts, you have responded by saying I have not corrected your posts. The implication of this is, considering I made my posts with the intention of correcting yours, being that you consider my posts to be in some way incorrect. I would like you to tell me where my posts are incorrect.


This has nothing to do with thanks dropping off; nothing to do with a burden I have to carry; nothing to do with some kind of imaginary rota that you seem to think operates in this forum and most certainly is not something that other people on this forum have to pick up.


You have said that, compared to yours, my posts relating to Ireland's responsibilities in Europe relating to the treaties and agreements they have signed is incorrect. I want you to point out to me the bit that are incorrect. Very simple really. This isn't really the forum to declare someone's post incorrect but not actually say how or why.


MrP

[Brown Bomber]

Michael Nugent,

You've only given one non-commital response in 5 weeks. Any chance of a response...?

I can't see how it is anything other than shilling for Atheist Ireland if you won't even discuss what you are promoting and advertising.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...0&postcount=29

[Michael Nugent]

Originally Posted by Brown Bomber

Michael Nugent,

You've only given one non-commital response in 5 weeks. Any chance of a response...?

Sorry, I had forgotten about this. Thanks for reminding me.

Originally Posted by Brown Bomber

I can't see how it is anything other than shilling for Atheist Ireland if you won't even discuss what you are promoting and advertising.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...0&postcount=29

Do you seriously believe I won’t discuss things? I’ll respond when I have time.

[robindch]

Originally Posted by Brown Bomber

I can't see how it is anything other than shilling for Atheist Ireland if you won't even discuss what you are promoting and advertising.

Brown, can you please try and be a bit more civil -- it should make people more likely to reply to your requests, as well as raising the forum tone.

[qrrgprgua]

Originally Posted by Lucy8080

mr.p.

what are you defending? ive already said earlier in this thread i trust my post versus yours.

accussations of drunkeness... whilst the dear leader and followers put you up on the ramparts?

im sure you are a big guy mr. p.....

why not reread this thread...and figure out why the thanks are dropping off.

if they pick up again i wont ask you to explain!

ill ask michael.

Mr Nugent's proposal are about making less than 10% of the population more important and better funded that the other 90%.

Religious oaths.. Yes this should be changed. It should be an Oath to the state.

Rights of the Child... I will agree with Him if the rights cover all the child's life and not just when its born.

Secular schools.. Ok as long as the majority want them. Don't rail road everyone into your point of view unless you have consensus.

And finally... We are a sovereign country.. And won't be bullied by anyone. Instead of running to the UN.. why not lobby Irish Politicians for your cause. Look for Consensus in Ireland. You have not learned much from history if you think the Irish are going to bow down in front of a foreign authority.

your (Mr. Nugent) Atheist and secular views have a right to be respected... But in the same token my religious views and values should also be respected. My grandparents, Parents, myself and my children all went to a religious school. Why should over a centenary of tradition be extinguished because an atheist family arrives and does not like the ethos? Who want "Their" secular school? Do we not have a right to protect our culture, out tradition, our history? Why do we need to change?

If you don't like the status Quo.. Change it with dialogue and consensus.

[ShooterSF]

I'm starting to think I should start a feedback thread to request that the words "culture" and "tradition" be blocked by the swear filter because I know I find the "f-word" and "c-word"s much less disgusting.