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BettyM · 16-06-2012, 12:20

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Originally Posted by whattotdo

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about whether it's a choice or not.I have to say though as I've done before why would one choose to be gay(there's nothing wrong with been gay) with the discrimination we face.I have a great talent for soccer but my team 'mates' bullied me so much I had to give up that hobby because amongst numerous things they wouldn't share a communal shower with me because in their eyes been gay equates to been a pervert,can't walk down the street hand in hand with my partner for fear of been attacked,oh yeah,I chose to be gay...

The great thing about free speech is we don't need to be told we are entitled to our opinions, as we already know we are. .

If it were me, I'd not want to socialise or be with people who think that to be predominantly same sex attracted equated to being a pervert, as it suggests such people have either little intelligence or are bigots, or both. So Rejoice you no longer have to spend your time with such people!

whattotdo · 19-06-2012, 16:08

Thanks Betty M,just seen your post now.

whattotdo · 22-06-2012, 11:17

I met up with a group of people last night,college reunion..someway or another we all got chatting about sexuality.The group consisted of myself and eight others who would identify as heterosexual.I asked them their opinion on why some people are straight and others homosexual...for straight people they all thought 'they are born that way' and for homosexuality it's a choice.Just thought I's share that story

DubArk · 22-06-2012, 11:40

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Originally Posted by whattotdo

I met up with a group of people last night,college reunion..someway or another we all got chatting about sexuality.The group consisted of myself and eight others who would identify as heterosexual.I asked them their opinion on why some people are straight and others homosexual...for straight people they all thought 'they are born that way' and for homosexuality it's a choice.Just thought I's share that story

When asked:-
8 heterosexual people thought they were born heterosexual.

The same 8 heterosexual people thought that all homosexuals made a choice to be a homosexual.

Probably a reflection of our education system tbh.

whattotdo · 22-06-2012, 11:57

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Originally Posted by DubArk

When asked:-
8 heterosexual people thought they were born heterosexual.

The same 8 heterosexual people thought that all homosexuals made a choice to be a homosexual.

Probably a reflection of our education system tbh.

My thoughts exactly..how can they say their sexuality is pre-determined and ours isn't...

seamus · 22-06-2012, 12:06

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Originally Posted by DubArk

When asked:-
8 heterosexual people thought they were born heterosexual.

The same 8 heterosexual people thought that all homosexuals made a choice to be a homosexual.

My reckoning is that people don't think about it properly.

If they believe that they were "born" heterosexual, then it logically follows that they think that homosexual people too were born heterosexual and later made a choice to become homosexual.

This presupposes that they believe they too would be capable of choosing to be homosexual. I can guarantee you that they would nearly all deny this and claim that they wouldn't be able to "turn" homosexual by choice. Or in other words, they don't believe it's possible for them to choose to be homosexual, but somehow other people can.

whattotdo · 22-06-2012, 13:25

Good point Seamus,I should have asked them could they turn gay..their argument was that as homosexual couples can't reproduce themselves it can't be genetic but I explained about genes skipping generations etc

ShanePouch · 22-06-2012, 13:34

No matter how much exploring you might do, you'll never get a definite answer to this issue.

What we know is that for some it is a choice, for others it's not. To claim that for all men who describe themselves as primarily same sex attracted that its a choice, or it isn't a choice, is pointless.

I've met men who say there was an element of choice for them, just as I've met many other men who "choose" to lead a heterosexual lifestyle while also admitting to indulging in sex with other men.

I've also met men who say they have no choice at all and could only have a successful homosexual sexual relationship and would find it impossible to have a heterosexual sexual relationship.

Why do any of us feel the need to wrestle with a question "is being gay a choice" when there is more than one answer?

Aurongroove · 22-06-2012, 16:05

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Originally Posted by ShanePouch

No matter how much exploring you might do, you'll never get a definite answer to this issue.

What we know is that for some it is a choice, for others it's not. To claim that for all men who describe themselves as primarily same sex attracted that its a choice, or it isn't a choice, is pointless.

I've met men who say there was an element of choice for them, just as I've met many other men who "choose" to lead a heterosexual lifestyle while also admitting to indulging in sex with other men.

I've also met men who say they have no choice at all and could only have a successful homosexual sexual relationship and would find it impossible to have a heterosexual sexual relationship.

Why do any of us feel the need to wrestle with a question "is being gay a choice" when there is more than one answer?

it;s not voodoo. there are perfectly straight up answers.
Being gay isn't a choice if you are gay. that is the answer.

ShanePouch · 22-06-2012, 16:35

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Originally Posted by Aurongroove

it;s not voodoo. there are perfectly straight up answers.
Being gay isn't a choice if you are gay. that is the answer.

There are obviously many answers and not just one. For me, there was an element of choice in deciding whether or not to be gay.

DubArk · 22-06-2012, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Aurongroove

it;s not voodoo. there are perfectly straight up answers.
Being gay isn't a choice if you are gay. that is the answer.

I completely agree I never had a choice. If I had on realising that I was attached to only men, I'd of gladly chosen (back then) women. Life to start with would have been much easier; I will never forget the torment I went through.

whattotdo · 22-06-2012, 18:57

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Originally Posted by DubArk

I completely agree I never had a choice. If I had on realising that I was attached to only men, I'd of gladly chosen (back then) women. Life to start with would have been much easier; I will never forget the torment I went through.

Exactly,it's not as if we woke up one morning and said 'I think,I'm going to be gay from now and make life so much harder for myself'!

**mango salsa** · 22-06-2012, 20:37

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Originally Posted by Aurongroove

it;s not voodoo. there are perfectly straight up answers.
Being gay isn't a choice if you are gay. that is the answer.

It's an answer NOT the answer.

keepkeyyellow · 22-06-2012, 21:37

The way I explain it to friends is that I'm right handed. I would like to be left handed but I can't choose that. If I try writing with my left hand it looks like scrawl so I'm stuck with my right hand.

Unless you're ambidextrous then I suppose you could choose which hand you write with...

baby and crumble · 22-06-2012, 22:49

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Originally Posted by keepkeyyellow

The way I explain it to friends is that I'm right handed. I would like to be left handed but I can't choose that. If I try writing with my left hand it looks like scrawl so I'm stuck with my right hand.

Unless you're ambidextrous then I suppose you could choose which hand you write with...

CAN OF WORMS!!!!!!!!!

19-06-2012, 16:08	#152
whattotdo Closed Account Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 58 Adverts \| Friends	Thanks Betty M,just seen your post now.

22-06-2012, 11:17	#153
whattotdo Closed Account Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 58 Adverts \| Friends	I met up with a group of people last night,college reunion..someway or another we all got chatting about sexuality.The group consisted of myself and eight others who would identify as heterosexual.I asked them their opinion on why some people are straight and others homosexual...for straight people they all thought 'they are born that way' and for homosexuality it's a choice.Just thought I's share that story

22-06-2012, 13:25	#157
whattotdo Closed Account Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 58 Adverts \| Friends	Good point Seamus,I should have asked them could they turn gay..their argument was that as homosexual couples can't reproduce themselves it can't be genetic but I explained about genes skipping generations etc

22-06-2012, 13:34	#158
ShanePouch Banned Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 77 Adverts \| Friends	No matter how much exploring you might do, you'll never get a definite answer to this issue. What we know is that for some it is a choice, for others it's not. To claim that for all men who describe themselves as primarily same sex attracted that its a choice, or it isn't a choice, is pointless. I've met men who say there was an element of choice for them, just as I've met many other men who "choose" to lead a heterosexual lifestyle while also admitting to indulging in sex with other men. I've also met men who say they have no choice at all and could only have a successful homosexual sexual relationship and would find it impossible to have a heterosexual sexual relationship. Why do any of us feel the need to wrestle with a question "is being gay a choice" when there is more than one answer?

22-06-2012, 21:37	#164
keepkeyyellow Registered User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 434 Adverts \| Friends	The way I explain it to friends is that I'm right handed. I would like to be left handed but I can't choose that. If I try writing with my left hand it looks like scrawl so I'm stuck with my right hand. Unless you're ambidextrous then I suppose you could choose which hand you write with...