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charlemont · 10-05-2012, 01:59

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Originally Posted by goldie fish

The incident happened on the Cork-Limerick road on Saturday morning, at about 7am. It happened within the Gurranabraher district. Earlier in the weekend, there was a stabbing in their district, and as a result the majority of the rescources were committed to that investigation. The victim died on sunday night from the stabbing incident.
Thats probably why there was only 2 patrol cars available.

Notice also the total absence of any women? Traveller women are not permitted at these events. Gardai expect to make more arrests later this week.

Because they got to stay at ~~home~~ the site and mind the children. Such is Traveller life. I'd reckon on those Gardaí that were there being from Blarney or Rathduff not Gurran, I think there is a station on the old Mallow road but I'm not sure wheter its open or not.

Tyron Jara · 10-05-2012, 12:14

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Originally Posted by charlemont

Because they got to stay at ~~home~~ the site and mind the children. Such is Traveller life. I'd reckon on those Gardaí that were there being from Blarney or Rathduff not Gurran, I think there is a station on the old Mallow road but I'm not sure wheter its open or not.

Thats the blarney patrol car in the video

msg11 · 10-05-2012, 16:57

Nice too see the RTA going out the window with the driving. That style of driving wouldn't even be found out in the wild west.

TheChizler · 10-05-2012, 17:04

Actually how would you go about forcibly stopping a horse and sulkie? I imagine boxing in or any contact would cause the horse to spook. In the video was the AGS car trying to stop the race or just push it over to the left hand carriageway? It would take a very brave driver to try and bring that whole event to a halt.

meathstevie · 10-05-2012, 17:19

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Originally Posted by dlofnep

The guy who recorded the video just posted this:

Something seriously wrong there. Time for AGS to come down hard on these guys.

The Cosa Nostra calls it "omerta", that may explain a thing or two or not...

BrianD · 10-05-2012, 17:51

That video is something else.

I wonder if there is something in official pursuit training to deal with this scenario?

The other guys seemed to have a rolling road block in place at one stage.

Was there more than one Garda car involved (an unmarked one)? I suspect that there's one efficient way to stop a sulky race but I wouldn't like to be in the car that does it.

Mind you the video evidence seems to be in abundance,

meathstevie · 10-05-2012, 18:03

Video has been removed from Youtube by the user, a bit late me thinks

kub · 10-05-2012, 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlofnep

The guy who recorded the video just posted this:

Something seriously wrong there. Time for AGS to come down hard on these guys.

Now that is what is worrying me, not only can they write, but they can operate iphones, laptops and can actually post videos to youtube

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dlofnep · 10-05-2012, 20:14

Video re-uploaded:

goldie fish · 10-05-2012, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by charlemont

I'd reckon on those Gardaí that were there being from Blarney or Rathduff not Gurran, I think there is a station on the old Mallow road but I'm not sure wheter its open or not.

All in Gurran District. Old mallow road station does not cover there.

Topper7 · 13-05-2012, 23:22

I saw 1 of these this morning (8.45) on my way to limerick. There was approx 30 cars/vans, approx 5 vehicles wide & 6-7 vehicles deep. It was the old Roscrea to Nenagh road just outside Dunkirrean. Scary enough when you relise whats going on & you need to react quickly! Strangely enough I saw the local squad comin back into the town a few miles ahead of them. The gaurd drivin it was on her own in d car. Anyways when I called it in (I got put through to Thurles) & I was told that they think the local gardai all ready knew but would pass on the message.

Ive also talked to a few lads that live locally and they said that it has happened on this strech of the road before, but its normally earlier (5/6am). Also the frequency of it on that strech has increased drmatically over the last year or so!

Is there anything that can be done by the gardai there & then to stop the race? Obviously sending 1 car with 1 member out when the next nearest car is at least 15-20 mins away is risky!? Personally I think a strong example should be set of anyone caught or else sulky races should be legalised & controlled (Pavee point trying to work on this??)

Topper7 · 13-05-2012, 23:50

BTW dont want to interfere with protocall/procedures etc so mod please edit if its a problem.

foreign · 14-05-2012, 08:14

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Originally Posted by Topper7

Is there anything that can be done by the gardai there & then to stop the race? Obviously sending 1 car with 1 member out when the next nearest car is at least 15-20 mins away is risky!? Personally I think a strong example should be set of anyone caught or else sulky races should be legalised & controlled (Pavee point trying to work on this??)

A line of JCB's with the front bucket down driving at full whack?

Or the scum could do what anybody else who wants to hold an event on a public road does and apply to the local authority to close the road and pay whatever cost is involved. They aren't short of money. No jobs and driving 12 reg vans and jeeps!

BrianD · 14-05-2012, 12:25

There was a similar incident on the N3 Blanchardstown bypass a few years back.

An enterprising Garda might requisition the services of a HGV if the opportunity presented itself?

rosco12 · 14-05-2012, 15:30

and what if an innocent person was to crash into this HGV? the only solution is tougher penalties when these scum are brought before the courts. A fine (which they won't pay) is not deterrent enough.

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10-05-2012, 16:57	#33
msg11 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,093 Adverts \| Friends	Nice too see the RTA going out the window with the driving. That style of driving wouldn't even be found out in the wild west.

10-05-2012, 17:04	#34
TheChizler Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cork Posts: 1,000 Adverts \| Friends	Actually how would you go about forcibly stopping a horse and sulkie? I imagine boxing in or any contact would cause the horse to spook. In the video was the AGS car trying to stop the race or just push it over to the left hand carriageway? It would take a very brave driver to try and bring that whole event to a halt.

10-05-2012, 17:51	#36
BrianD Closed Account Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 7,145 Adverts \| Friends	That video is something else. I wonder if there is something in official pursuit training to deal with this scenario? The other guys seemed to have a rolling road block in place at one stage. Was there more than one Garda car involved (an unmarked one)? I suspect that there's one efficient way to stop a sulky race but I wouldn't like to be in the car that does it. Mind you the video evidence seems to be in abundance,

10-05-2012, 18:03	#37
meathstevie Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,232 Adverts \| Friends	Video has been removed from Youtube by the user, a bit late me thinks

10-05-2012, 20:14	#39
dlofnep Closed Account Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 20,248 Adverts \| Friends	Video re-uploaded:

13-05-2012, 23:22	#41
Topper7 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 88 Adverts \| Friends	I saw 1 of these this morning (8.45) on my way to limerick. There was approx 30 cars/vans, approx 5 vehicles wide & 6-7 vehicles deep. It was the old Roscrea to Nenagh road just outside Dunkirrean. Scary enough when you relise whats going on & you need to react quickly! Strangely enough I saw the local squad comin back into the town a few miles ahead of them. The gaurd drivin it was on her own in d car. Anyways when I called it in (I got put through to Thurles) & I was told that they think the local gardai all ready knew but would pass on the message. Ive also talked to a few lads that live locally and they said that it has happened on this strech of the road before, but its normally earlier (5/6am). Also the frequency of it on that strech has increased drmatically over the last year or so! Is there anything that can be done by the gardai there & then to stop the race? Obviously sending 1 car with 1 member out when the next nearest car is at least 15-20 mins away is risky!? Personally I think a strong example should be set of anyone caught or else sulky races should be legalised & controlled (Pavee point trying to work on this??)

13-05-2012, 23:50	#42
Topper7 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 88 Adverts \| Friends	BTW dont want to interfere with protocall/procedures etc so mod please edit if its a problem.

14-05-2012, 12:25	#44
BrianD Closed Account Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 7,145 Adverts \| Friends	There was a similar incident on the N3 Blanchardstown bypass a few years back. An enterprising Garda might requisition the services of a HGV if the opportunity presented itself?

14-05-2012, 15:30	#45
rosco12 Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5 Adverts \| Friends	and what if an innocent person was to crash into this HGV? the only solution is tougher penalties when these scum are brought before the courts. A fine (which they won't pay) is not deterrent enough.