[tayto lover]

Originally Posted by FergusODowd

Declaring children as lost causes doesn't really cut it with me, and it not a good enough excuse for the state in my opinion. Also child sexual abuse within famalies in still rampant in Ireland, and drugs and alcohol are often used as the facilitators / excuse for the abuse. The problem cannot just be written off.

Not lost causes at all but refusing to come under any control. How would you deal with it ?
Go into any large town at night and see for yourself. I used to do voluntary work with some of them but they nearly wrecked my health. All sorts of threats and abuse.

[FergusODowd]

Originally Posted by MrPudding

I doubt it...

MrP

Just out of interest, why were you banned from the Christianity forum yourself ?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...&postcount=156

[koth]

Cardinal Seán Brady apologises to abuse victim Brendan Boland

Dr Brady said he now realised that the parents of children who were being abused by Brendan Smyth should have been informed about the allegations of abuse being made against him.

"Definitely the parents should have been informed. That's quite clear,” he said.

Dr Brady said he apologised without hesitation to Brendan Boland, and to all survivors of abuse.

He said he would also like to personally apologise to Mr Boland, and hoped to do so in the future.

[Sarky]

Interesting for someone who was screaming "I did nothing wrong/everything I could!" Up until now.

Hang on: "apologised without hesitation?" He's hesitated since the 70's ffs

[robindch]

Originally Posted by koth

Cardinal Seán Brady apologises to abuse victim Brendan Boland

"The cardinal said there was absolutely no indication from the Holy See that it wanted him to resign." -- Brady thinks that this, and the appointment of a "helper" bishop, is a vote of confidence???

[FergusODowd]

He said there had also been "many many calls from people who want me to stay on."

I'd like to see him substatiate this one in particular. I have not across a single commentator in the media saying so.

[MrPudding]

Meh. Which time?

MrP

[Pushtrak]

Originally Posted by FergusODowd

I'd like to see him substatiate this one in particular. I have not across a single commentator in the media saying so.

I posted this in AH. There are people who hold this view. Sadly.

[Galvasean]

The phrase "only sorry you got caught" springs to mind. He's had several decades to say sorry, but only does so now because the media have hounded it out of him.

[Callan57]

Originally Posted by robindch

"The cardinal said there was absolutely no indication from the Holy See that it wanted him to resign." -- Brady thinks that this, and the appointment of a "helper" bishop, is a vote of confidence???

It's incredibly sad, once again the Catholic Church puts it's own institutional interests before that of children ... absolutely nothing has changed despite all the talk & that is all it is talk there is neither willingness or intention to change anything all they are doing is playing for time & hoping to bluff it out.

They don't want to loose face so in the unlikely event that Brady was man enough to offer his resignation it wouldn't be accepted .... just in case it might appear that they responded to public opinion. Monarchy is not influenced by public opinion & that is what the Vatican sees itself as ..... a middleages Monarchy still convinced of it's divine right!

[Dades]

Originally Posted by FergusODowd

Not really, one particular mod got it into his head I was someone else, and then stopped answering my pm's when it was pointed out I was not. I'm still waiting on the mods to sort it out. Is it ok to discuss that here further ?, i'd be very happy to actually.

No it's not okay to talk about it. Why would it? That's a moderation issue from another forum - and moderation on other forums is specifically disallowed in our charter. No more on this, people.

Originally Posted by crucamim

I would never have regared Nodin as a Republican. I have long regarded him/her as an enemy of the oppressed Catholic people of Northern Ireland.

How you personally regard Nodin is of no interest or relevance here. I've already asked that people stop making off-topic generalisations about people's political stances - and I won't ask again.

[recedite]

On whether Brady interviewing the child alone about an alleged sexual assault is in itself a form of child abuse;

Originally Posted by FergusODowd

No, that in itself is not child abuse, its just unusual and unwise by todays standards, not 1970's standards

Originally Posted by FergusODowd

Then half the county and the state's employee's were also guilty of that in the 70's. It would not have been an unsual thing to do for a teacher in the 70's.

I notice you flipped there, from saying it was not abuse by today's standards, to only saying it was not abuse by 70's standards.
You can't get away with that here without being noticed (this ain't the other forum)

[Bigpicture]

Originally Posted by Fortyniner

1. I guess the majority of the public and the media do not agree with your view that these events constitute 'flimsy and prejudiced grounds'.

3. I share your view about championing individual cases. We don't know who most of the abused kids were, and they certainly do need championing.

Finally I think you don't help yourself by exonerating Brady or his superiors on the grounds that he was following procedures and protocols. The victims and their families would certainly not accept that argument, and they're the ones that really matter. I'm not amongst them, and I'm bloody outraged.

1. Sure ... but public opinion mostly follows the predominant media view. When it comes to attacking the Church, there is no shortage of media interest. It is important to challenge the status quo from time to time.

3. No harm in this but I intended individual causes of any nature. How many of us are active in causes like SvP or Meals on Wheels etc?

The defense was intended for Cardinal Brady alone rather than his superiors. Based on the information in the public domain I think it is grossly unfair to accuse Cardinal Brady. It is important to watch out for 'group mentality' ... Lord of the Flies comes to mind!

[FergusODowd]

Originally Posted by recedite

On whether Brady interviewing the child alone about an alleged sexual assault is in itself a form of child abuse;

I notice you flipped there, from saying it was not abuse by today's standards, to only saying it was not abuse by 70's standards.
You can't get away with that here without being noticed (this ain't the other forum)

As the piece of string that walked into the bar said "I'm a frayed knot"
I'm afraid that's a strawman / false dichotomy. That in itself not abuse by any standards, it would be against proper procedure today, but not in the 70's, and to cry wolf on it takes the spotlight off the real abuse. Good luck with trying to condemn and force the resignation of every single teacher and official that did that in the 70's 80's and even 90's, with that one, its going no where. This does not lessen Brady's failure to inform the parents, that was whole different level of negligence and the real issue why Brady needs to go.

[Jernal]

Originally Posted by FergusODowd

As the piece of string that walked into the bar said "I'm a frayed knot"
I'm afraid that's a strawman / false dichotomy. That in itself not abuse by any standards, it would be against proper procedure today, but not in the 70's, and to cry wolf on it takes the spotlight off the real abuse. Good luck with trying to condemn and force the resignation of every single teacher and official that did that in the 70's 80's and even 90's, with that one, its going no where. This does not lessen Brady's failure to inform the parents, that was whole different level of negligence and the real issue why Brady needs to go.

Well seeing as this thread has already been Godwinned.

Good luck trying to catch up with all the people who had a direct hand in exterminating the Jews. We do however have one definite person who's responsible but I think we ought to admit that this person doesn't bear the responsibility because we can't prosecute 100% of the people responsible for the massacres.