[Micky Dolenz]

Originally Posted by djk1000

I looked into that a little while back, the CSO changes misadventure findings to suicide where necessary for statistical purposes. They know what coroners are doing and try to weight the figures accordingly. So lets say 400 suicides are recorded by coroners, there could be 500 recorded by the CSO based on qualitative review of cases.

So on that side, it's not under reported too much, however there are a lot of accidents, particularly single vehicle car accidents that may be suicides, these don't get recorded as such

And drowings, factory/farm/construction accidents to name but a few. Some suicides are very well planned out.

I suppose the figures can never be accurate. However the rate is alarming and something like the RSA should be set up to tackle it head on.

[My name is URL]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Man

The answer to your question is no. Nobody in government at any rate. For years now people have tried, and failed to bring attention to the bewildering fact that the Irish government will spend millions and millions each year on preventing road deaths yet does next to nil to prevent suicides.

The will isn't there.

I think that's tad unfair. I'm no FG supporter but plenty of its TD's a fairly vocal on the issues of suicide and mental health reforms. One of their TD's (Dan Neville) is actually President of and one of the founding members of the Irish Association of Suicidology.

[stupidusername]

Originally Posted by JuliusCaesar

I don't want to give out to the poster, but I really do get fed up with people thinking they know what the situation is, when in fact they are spreading misinformation.

It's not misinformation when it's from your own experience and the experience of those you know. My own experience is that i've just got an appointment for talk therapy more than a year after I sought help (in Dublin that is,when I sought it in Limerick I was told no). And yep I was desperate at the time,and told them I had suicidal thoughts all the time. I was on edge all the time and still I was told I wasn't considered important enough.

And it's all very well to come in quoting a number of helplines and services,but the reality is the services in the country are absolute ****e. And that's from personal experience of three counsellors,4 doctors,but 6 antidepressants.

Services seem to be there but once you get talking about real help,it's very bloody hard to get.

[IM0]

Im betting OP that you wouldnt have made this thread or maybe even had any idea about the rates?, it all comes up [anything]when it happens NIMBY

[hairyprincess]

Originally Posted by Micky Dolenz

And drowings, factory/farm/construction accidents to name but a few. Some suicides are very well planned out.

I suppose the figures can never be accurate. However the rate is alarming and something like the RSA should be set up to tackle it head on.

I don't think it's fair on the victim of the families to make assumptions like that. We can only deal with the actual figures as they are recorded.

It does need to be tackled head on. The question is how. I'm not sure there is a need for reporting suicides, but information about dealing with stress and depression needs to be drummed in to everyone at every possible angle. When people are depressed they tend to hide to it away from others for fear of their reaction. We need to be more outspoken imo.

Originally Posted by GarIT

Why are you asking about young people when old people had the highest rates of suicide?

Old people? I would quantify 'old' as being over 65, they accounted for 31 of all suicides in 2010.

[hondasam]

Originally Posted by Micky Dolenz

The real figures are actually a lot higher. Coroners are slow to put suicide as cause of death unless 100% sure EG suicide note. A lot of deaths are put down as misadventure.

Some families ask the coroner not to record the death as a suicide, personally I don't see what difference it makes on the death cert unless there is an insurance claim.
Maybe some families think if it's not recorded as suicide then it was not a suicide, their way of dealing with it.

[GarIT]

Originally Posted by hairyprincess

Old people? I would quantify 'old' as being over 65, they accounted for 31 of all suicides in 2010.

25-44. Maybe its debatable if they are old. But they definitely aren't young. 40 is the very latest age that I would consider someone old after.

[hondasam]

Originally Posted by hairyprincess

I don't think it's fair on the victim of the families to make assumptions like that. We can only deal with the actual figures as they are recorded.

It does need to be tackled head on. The question is how. I'm not sure there is a need for reporting suicides, but information about dealing with stress and depression needs to be drummed in to everyone at every possible angle. When people are depressed they tend to hide to it away from others for fear of their reaction. We need to be more outspoken imo.

Some accidents are suicide but it's cant always be proven. If a farmer falls into a slurry tank how can you say if it's an accident or not?

The more suicide is reported the more copycat suicides there will be, It needs to be talked about but it's not necessary to broadcast suicide funerals all over the papers.

[Uriel.]

Originally Posted by hondasam

Some families ask the coroner not to record the death as a suicide, personally I don't see what difference it makes on the death cert unless there is an insurance claim.
Maybe some families think if it's not recorded as suicide then it was not a suicide, their way of dealing with it.

Perhaps also down to old style religious beliefs as well. As far as I know, the rule about unconsecrated grinding no longer applies in the Catholic church, but often the old mentality remains that the act of suicide is wrong from a moral, religious, spiritual and social point of view.
There is still a lot of stigma attached to it in regards to families. Sure there's still a huge amount of stigma in relation to mental health (problems) generally which is terribly downheartening and frustrating.

[jaffacakesyum]

Originally Posted by GarIT

25-44. Maybe its debatable if they are old. But they definitely aren't young. 40 is the very latest age that I would consider someone old after.

You serious? 40 isn't old.

65+ is old. That is usually the age considered to be old in most medical research/studies, social services etc.

[hairyprincess]

Originally Posted by hondasam

Some families ask the coroner not to record the death as a suicide, personally I don't see what difference it makes on the death cert unless there is an insurance claim.
Maybe some families think if it's not recorded as suicide then it was not a suicide, their way of dealing with it.

That's hardly legal for the coroner to do, is it?

[hondasam]

Originally Posted by hairyprincess

That's hardly legal for the coroner to do, is it?

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&...El5q8-IeobMzng


I honestly don't see why some families think how a death is recorded will make a difference. The fact is if they took their own life then it's suicide.

[humbert]

Am I the only one who thinks that every non-voluntary cause of death should be given higher priority than suicide?

[Buttonftw]

Originally Posted by JuliusCaesar

And yet again, can I make it plain that this kind of overgeneralisation does no good whatsoever, especially for those who are desperate.

Waiting times will vary from location to location and from time to time.

This overgeneralisation just makes those who are feeling hopeless, feel even more hopeless and prevents them finding out what the actual times are in their locality.

I don't want to give out to the poster, but I really do get fed up with people thinking they know what the situation is, when in fact they are spreading misinformation.

Yeah but when it happens that someone seeks help, is told there's none and is dead within a couple of days it's that which dominates for those who knew, not rumours or news reports.

[bnt]

Originally Posted by hondasam

I honestly don't see why some families think how a death is recorded will make a difference. The fact is if they took their own life then it's suicide.

Isn't there a religious angle to it, though? IIRC some churches, including the Catholic, discriminate(d) against suicides when it comes to the funeral. Which is/was stupid, since a funeral isn't for the person who died - he/she is not there - but rather for the living people left behind.