[mylastparadigm]

Originally Posted by Srameen

Very grown up response to a civil post.




You are the one getting annoyed and then insulting anybody who bothered their heads to contribute to this thread. What did you want when you posted it? A bland "Great idea kid!" "WOW, how did you think of that!"?? Or genuine opinions on the idea? Because what you got were genuine opinions and concerns from consumers.





It has become more and more obvious what you don't know, and have no qualification in, as this thread continues. You posted on Consumer Issues, so answers and opinions will be around the consumer issues involved.

Why can't you accept that? You put the subject out there and people responded. As for rebuttal; it was your suggested idea so you would be expected to reply to the issues others raised as a result.
Nothing so far suggests any pedantic questions have been asked. Did you mean to use pedantic?

try to stay on topic, please.

[Srameen]

Only a direct reply to comments made by yourself. I note no reply to any of the issues raised. (And I'll leave the call on off topic or not to the Mods. You may report the posts to them if you consider them off topic.)

To reiterate: What aspect of the problems or flaws raised by the contributors here do you consider just bad grace? What solution to said issues do you imagine? What questions raised were pedantic?

This is all very much on topic, as it's your threads that are being replied to with no drift whatsoever from the underlying subject matter or what you have written. So, staying on topic: what did you want from the Opening Piece? I'm sorry if we mis-read it and thought, in error, that you wanted feedback or comments. I'd sincerely appreciate some clarification asto what exactly the point of throwing the notion out there was; if not for honest feedback.

[MOH]

Originally Posted by mylastparadigm

whatever trevor

See, now we're getting somewhere. You've identified me as Trevor.
I'm no longer an "anonymous poster" tearing your idea to shreds.

Given that, maybe you'd feel like responding to any of the legitimate criticisms of your suggestion?

[dudara]

skinny90 warned for insulting another poster.

mylastparadigm Less of the back seat modding please - and this can be extended to many posters

Posters - the OP has presented an idea, which he has later acknowledged is very much in it's formative stages. It is a more theoretical post than normal for Consumer Issues, but I'll willing to keep it open for discussion.

Keep the debate focused on the topic. Any further non-contributive posts may result in warnings/infractions.

dudara

[dudara]

I just came across this site today - how does this match up with your idea?

http://www.fitthebill.ie/

[Guy:Incognito]

Originally Posted by mathepac

Who appointed you moderator in this thread. What about you stop the bully-boy tactics? What right do you have to demand answers or adjudicate on their "properness" in this way?.



Rebuttal. You joined OP's thread voluntarily; you have no authority to try and influence how or whether your questions (or anyone else's ) are answered.

What bully boy tactics? Is it too much to expect a reply to specific questions when the rest of us are taking the time to answer and address his points ?

The OP asked for opinions and questions. He got ones that didnt agree with him and got precious.Any valid questions that more or less showed his idea as unworkable were ignored. It cant work the way the op wants and he cant accept that. Instead he ignores the points that prove it any then starts a bit of a crazy rant or a mildinsult. Getting agressive because your wrong doesnt help you win an arguement. Especially when your only in a discussion to begin with.

You took the time to reply to my specific question about why he wasnt answering specific questions. Would that effort not have been better used answering the points . Or do you realise its unworkable too and your just going to keep argueing the irrelevant stuff?

[mathepac]

Originally Posted by dudara

... how does this match up with your idea?

http://www.fitthebill.ie/

Thanks, you beat me to it. Rather more limited in scope but generally in the same ball park.

It has the "my shopping list" idea implemented with pricing. No idea who they are but generally a nice implementation of their more limited version of our ideas. Nice one.

Originally Posted by Guy:Incognito

... . Or do you realise its unworkable too and your just going to keep argueing the irrelevant stuff?

Ehhhm, that would be a resounding "no" to both questions from me and a a resounding "no" to both questions from them, so the "noes" have it then.

[Guy:Incognito]

Originally Posted by mathepac

Ehhhm, that would be a resounding "no" to both questions from me and a a resounding "no" to both questions from them, so the "noes" have it then.

So explain to us how a system where by every single retail shop in the whole country is required by law to have all their prices online and updated daily is functionanble.

Show your work, use a seperate sheet if necessary. Dont forget to explain how the small local shopkeeper (hitherto referred to as "ben") that cant afford to hire an extra member of staff to take on the extra work that wont give him any reward is going to cope. Should Ben give up sleeping at night and do the work then?

[Bandana boy]

Originally Posted by skinny90

Tesco love

Your case study is very much out of date
Not sure if thats important for your exam but pretty much all the advantages Tesco was getting from their CRM have been negated by competitors and an educated customer base.
They had their worst year in 30 last year, profits are falling drastically and they sacked their CEO in the last few months.

[skinny90]

Originally Posted by Bandana boy

Your case study is very much out of date
Not sure if thats important for your exam but pretty much all the advantages Tesco was getting from their CRM have been negated by competitors and an educated customer base.
They had their worst year in 30 last year, profits are falling drastically and they sacked their CEO in the last few months.

Agreed its out of date,but look at what tesco have vs dunnes and other competitors.a wide range of services ie tesco mobile,insurance etc.if you add in an effective CRM into all of that and integrate it all into a club card,it's gonna create a massive amount of revenue and customer loyalty,their still making huge profits aren't they?are the decreases not down to the 500m invested into price cuts?I can't find much more about it.have ya a link

[mylastparadigm]

Originally Posted by Guy:Incognito

So explain to us how a system where by every single retail shop in the whole country is required by law to have all their prices online and updated daily is functionanble.

Show your work, use a seperate sheet if necessary. Dont forget to explain how the small local shopkeeper (hitherto referred to as "ben") that cant afford to hire an extra member of staff to take on the extra work that wont give him any reward is going to cope. Should Ben give up sleeping at night and do the work then?

So maybe the idea is impractical for Ben. A lot of those little shops dont even use a scanner at the til. so maybe it cant be done there. fair enough.

but in fairness, you are using an extreme example (with added sympathy for poor ben the shop keeper that has to stay up all night or his business will close and his family will starve... ;-) ) to hammer something that really would apply to major retailers who are not gonna be closed down because of it. infact in your opening paragraph you use the word whole, all, every which just shows you are using hard/extreme examples to back up your arguements. have you anything based on the mean? an average case example? that applies to most stores effected by the idea? thats why i think your examples/arguements are pedantic and i dismiss them easily. come up with something that applies to the mean case and you'll have my attention.

as the mod said and i made clear a few times, this is an idea at a formative stage. it is not perfect. but again, using extremes to invalidate it is easy, and easy to ignore.


so in an answer to your question, ben can rest easy for now. in the long term, increased competition due to the listing on accurate up to date prices online may force him out of business but thats the free market and thats acceptable, right?

[mylastparadigm]

Originally Posted by Srameen

Only a direct reply to comments made by yourself. I note no reply to any of the issues raised. (And I'll leave the call on off topic or not to the Mods. You may report the posts to them if you consider them off topic.)

To reiterate: What aspect of the problems or flaws raised by the contributors here do you consider just bad grace? What solution to said issues do you imagine? What questions raised were pedantic?

This is all very much on topic, as it's your threads that are being replied to with no drift whatsoever from the underlying subject matter or what you have written. So, staying on topic: what did you want from the Opening Piece? I'm sorry if we mis-read it and thought, in error, that you wanted feedback or comments. I'd sincerely appreciate some clarification asto what exactly the point of throwing the notion out there was; if not for honest feedback.

oh, i got what i wanted alright. ;-)

[mylastparadigm]

Originally Posted by dudara

I just came across this site today - how does this match up with your idea?

http://www.fitthebill.ie/

looks like my idea is gone. :-/ awh.

okay its not live data but once weekly survey is a good start. that is more or less it. its a business though so they must be selling ads or something. fair play to them.

maybe ill check it out and we can see how much people save by using it.

[mylastparadigm]

[QUOTE=mylastparadigm;78387643]

Originally Posted by dudara

I just came across this site today - how does this match up with your idea?

http://www.fitthebill.ie/[/QUOTElooks like my idea is gone. :-/ awh.

okay its not live data but once weekly survey is a good start. that is more or less it. its a business though so they must be selling ads or something. fair play to them.

maybe ill check it out and we can see how much people save by using it.

so i looked at that site. they survey prices on products once a week and have only about 1000 - 1500 products listed. they also include special offers as their actual price. no ads as far as i can see (they must be selling demographics and shopping preference data.) they dont do price tracking though. that would be interesting. although in fairness though, they blog about prices changing so they must monitor it on the back end. http://www.fitthebill.ie/node/44

differences from what i proposed -> no price tracking, no live price data, limited items (tesco claim to have over 20000 individual items per store). but in fairness its a good effort.

out of interest, the value to the customer of a site like this: i selected a couple of items in each category that might make up your shopping. totals came to 64,64,64,59 for the main four multiples. the one that was 59 actually was the best place to buy all but two of the common items. if you went to the other shop for the cheper items youd save another two euro. so worth about 10% of your shopping bill.

[Srameen]

If Tesco have 20000 items how do you expect daily updates on prices and to take account of what can be hourly offers? Also, do they have to record stock levels - as I often find items I want are out of stock in any one week.

How did you come up with 10% in your sample above?

Lets flesh out the points raised - it's a formative idea so that's what you do with such things. Do you have any idea of what size limit would be applied to the stores in this scheme? What would it cost to keep it updated? Any store can show a price of 1p for everything, as an advertised price is not binding so how would that be policed?

Come on, people are posing questions and it behoves you to flesh out the idea as a result.