[nox001]

Originally Posted by micropig

Is there a lack of public transport to Kildare Street/ the other ineer city places mentioned? Luas Park & Ride.


What about decentralisation..I'm sure there would have been ample car parking space in towns other that Dublin, but ye didn't want that.

Do multi nationals take money from the Exchequer to mother their staff with fuel cards and parking?

Also go work in the private sector if the benefits are so much better.

I never said I worked in the public sector.

Multinationals do receive huge tax breaks and grants for setting up here, so technically yes they do get money from the exchequer. I totally agree with giving them the tax breaks and grants by the way.

[Chucky the tree]

Originally Posted by Doc Ruby

I don't see this as being too unreasonable to be honest, lots of private companies supply parking or give parking allowances to employees. There's plenty of more serious things to get outraged about in government spending.

Difference is everyone in the country doesn't pay for their parking spaces.

[micropig]

Originally Posted by nox001

I never said I worked in the public sector.

Multinationals do receive huge tax breaks and grants for setting up here, so technically yes they do get money from the exchequer. I totally agree with giving them the tax breaks and grants by the way.

Ye = not personally you but you plural the public sector

[nox001]

Originally Posted by Chucky the tree

Difference is everyone in the country doesn't pay for their parking spaces.

This comparison people use is stupid. You cant go around saying that the whole country is paying for this and for that, public service workers are as entiteled to be provided with benefits from their employer (the government) as any private sector worker.

All public sector workers lose a large amount in tax also from their wages so they are paying for it too, more than the equivalent private sector worker in a lot of cases.

[Meauldsegosha]

I hope Mr. Hayes' review includes the TDs, senators who get free parking for life in Leinster House. Political staff and journalists also get parking.

[Chucky the tree]

Originally Posted by nox001

This comparison people use is stupid. You cant go around saying that the whole country is paying for this and for that, public service workers are as entiteled to be provided with benefits from their employer (the government) as any private sector worker.

All public sector workers lose a large amount in tax also from their wages so they are paying for it too, more than the equivalent private sector worker in a lot of cases.

It's not a stupid comparison, well it probably is if you are a public sector worker who wants to continue milking the system. Public Sector worker already get plenty of other benefits, namely a job for life no matter how inept they are. you don't get that in the Private sector and it's one of the reason why pay and other benefits are/should be above Public sector. Public sector workers should pay for it their own parking, not expect a handout from everyone else.

[sdeire]

Discontent towards people getting perks should be directed towards those who earn hundreds of thousands of unnessecary euro per year. Not at those ordinary decent working folk who get a car parking space paid for them.

Now the management of this hair-brained little scheme is something different entirely - €2,500 per space per year is ridiculously expensive even if you were privately renting a single space - I know a premises in Dublin City, just off Parnell Street, that's renting spaces in a secure, enclosed, shuttered carpark for €120 a month + VAT. Value for money is certainly not being achieved and with so much vacant state-owned property lying around the city, one would think it could be put to good use and that workers in the Civil Service quarter, if you like, could park on the Anglo Site for example and perhaps walk the 1km or so to work - or failing that, catch a cheap Luas for the few stops.

People get their priorities mixed up in times like this, and it's part of the reason recessions go on so long.

[seamus]

Originally Posted by Doc Ruby

I don't see this as being too unreasonable to be honest, lots of private companies supply parking or give parking allowances to employees.

Yes, but in general (in the city especially) a private company provides a set number of parking spaces. If the car park is full, it's tough. Very few companies spend over €2k per employee renting a parking space for them.

Within urban areas, many companies provide no parking or parking costs at all.

Any sensible private company in the main urban areas (i.e. where public transport exists) started charging their employees for parking spaces years ago. The public sector seem to have gone the other way.

[Chuck Stone]

Originally Posted by kevincaomhin

Look at all Departments that have free parking available and assign those spaces to Civil Servants on the basis of lack of public transport and distance travelled to work.

That just sounds like adding another layer of senseless bureaucracy to the PbS. 'The department for allocating parking spaces to PbS employees'. A working group would have to be set up and then a team of people recruited with pay and pensions to consider and PbS unions to deal with..

... fuck that.

Originally Posted by nox001

All public sector workers lose a large amount in tax also from their wages so they are paying for it too, more than the equivalent private sector worker in a lot of cases.

PbS sector taxes are not revenue generating for the state - PvS taxes are.

[nox001]

Originally Posted by Chuck Stone

PbS sector taxes are not revenue generating for the state - PvS taxes are.

So? What difference does that make to the worker, either way its a reduction from their wages at the end of the month, do you think its any easier when they look at their pay slip and see the huge deductions?

[Chuck Stone]

You said.

Originally Posted by nox001

All public sector workers lose a large amount in tax also from their wages so they are paying for it too

I replied.

Originally Posted by Chuck Stone

PbS sector taxes are not revenue generating for the state - PvS taxes are.

Your response to my reply.

Originally Posted by nox001

So? What difference does that make to the worker,

I'll bring you back to what you said again.

Originally Posted by nox001

All public sector workers lose a large amount in tax also from their wages so they are paying for it too

The bit in red is incorrect. Revenue generated from the PvS pays for the PbS. Saying the PbS is paying for its own car parking spaces is a bit like thinking that taking a bucket of water from the shallow end of the pool and pouring it into the deep end is adding to the overall volume.

In this case the 'water' comes from the PvS.

[nox001]

Originally Posted by Chuck Stone

You said.


I replied.



Your response to my reply.



I'll bring you back to what you said again.



The bit in red is incorrect. Revenue generated from the PvS pays for the PbS. Saying the PbS is paying for its own car parking spaces is a bit like thinking that taking a bucket of water from the shallow end of the pool and pouring it into the deep end is adding to the overall volume.

In this case the 'water' comes from the PvS.

As far as a public sector worker is concerned they are losing money from their wage packet in tax, this is the very same pain a private sector worker feels so yes as far as the bottom line of their take home pay is they are paying for it.

Money that's being deducted from their wages are going towards running the country, its not difficult to understand.

[Ghandee]

Originally Posted by nox001

However certain people are blinded by the begrudgery bandwagon when it comes to the public sector.

Can you blame them?

Pay cut after pay cut, tax hike after tax hike, redundancies left right and centre, all this happening whilst the CPA remains intact, and a lot of PS (I didn't say all) workers getting their pay increases.

Major overhaul of the whole system is required, sooner rather than later IMO.

[true]

Originally Posted by micropig

What about decentralisation..I'm sure there would have been ample car parking space in towns other that Dublin, but ye didn't want that.

If de-centralisation had happened as planned there would not be a problem. There would be less congestion and parking problems in Dublin etc.

If public servants want car parking spaces in cities let them pay for them.

[Biggins]

* http://bigginsblog.wordpress.com/201...ion-in-a-year/

I'll take that 10 million and raise you seven.

Short version: The top mans office: 17 Million but that includes €80 a month on tea - so all's well.