[Muckit]

Originally Posted by cjpm

Have used a fair bit of it fencing although someone here posted that it conducts electricity!!!

So have alot of people cjpm, including myself. Rovi I think posted on this. I am not so sure. I tried a bit of research online, but couldn't find anything to confirm this. I think hydrodare is LDPE Low-density polyethylene. The blue water pipe they are using now is MDPE (medium density), so stronger.

But as for hydrodare conducting electric fence current.... I don't know. I read somewhere though that you can't use an ordinary electrican's voltmeter on an electric fence as it will f**k it up

[cjpm]

Originally Posted by Muckit

half inch. It's not the size but what you do with it cjpm This is only in the one field away from house. Good pressure, short distance and there will only ever be one trough being served at a time (one group). It's all about matching supply with demand.

A neighbour pulled up and more or less said I should have gone bigger too. He has 90+ milking cows..... I have a handful of yearling heifers

Each to their own i suppose, although if you were to use bigger piping the pressure at the pump can be turned down and will improve the effiency of the pump (slightly!!)

I was powerwashing during the summer (high pressure & low volume washer), connected a roll of 1/2" piping to my supply pipe (40 psi) and used the roll to move around the yard. The supply from the 1/2" couldn't keep up with the power washer!!

[cjpm]

Originally Posted by Muckit

So have alot of people cjpm, including myself. Rovi I think posted on this. I am not so sure. I tried a bit of research online, but couldn't find anything to confirm this. I think hydrodare is LDPE Low-density polyethylene. The blue water pipe they are using now is MDPE (medium density), so stronger.

But as for hydrodare conducting electric fence current.... I don't know. I read somewhere though that you can't use an ordinary electrican's voltmeter on an electric fence as it will f**k it up

I've used a few lengths of it for underground crossings!!

[blue5000]

Like a few other ppl I have paddocks and roadways from dairying. The original dairy paddocks have two strands of wire. Silage fields and rough land has only 1 strand. 3 Group sizes will vary between 20-30 cows per bull during the summer and then heifers and bull calves get divided into 2 mobs in Sept.

Field sizes vary from 7 acres up to 21 acres, with most of the paddocks about 3 acres. Silage fields are split down the middle with a trough half way along the middle fence, I keep the strainers in about 10m so that the headlands can be mowed all in one. I subdivide paddocks this time of year and in the autumn with temporary fences, in an odd place I would use a temporary water trough as well, see pics below.

I use 3/4 inch hydradare everywhere except in the yard. Troughs are mostly 70 gal jfc, but from now on I'll be replacing these with 150 gal concrete troughs to keep badgers out. All the pipes around paddocks are above ground which means I disconnect at silage headlands

If I was to improve things I'd put a few rolls of sheep hi-tensile wire along the end of roadways near the yard to stop calves getting through the bottom strand. I'm also starting to put in creep gates between paddocks.

First pic is how bare a silage field got cleaned off last week,
Pic 2 and 3 are a temporary trough made from a 200L acid barrel,

[Rovi]

Originally Posted by Muckit

So have alot of people cjpm, including myself. Rovi I think posted on this. I am not so sure. I tried a bit of research online, but couldn't find anything to confirm this. I think hydrodare is LDPE Low-density polyethylene. The blue water pipe they are using now is MDPE (medium density), so stronger.

But as for hydrodare conducting electric fence current.... I don't know. I read somewhere though that you can't use an ordinary electrican's voltmeter on an electric fence as it will f**k it up

I did indeed, reply with more detail HERE.

[1chippy]

two grazing blocks and one silage. the first grazing is around home farm and is split into 6 fields. we usually broke this down into two fields at a time for grazing but changed this, thisyear. spliting these with temp fencing and really seeing a difference already. water supply is our main issue and have to get supplies sorted. it means around 800-1000m of pipe and drinkers.
Silage block all around farm yard aswell. this gets one graze, one cut and then grazed out for the rest of the year as well. this will be changing next year to two cuts so losing that grazing.
Second grazing block is a bit of land ive taken on a long term lease. its split into 9 nice sized fields. i have a lad reseeding at the moment. ive just fenced it and have ran around 1100ms of 3/4" hydra. still need to get the drinkers. i intend to run around 40-50 weanling heifers on this bit this year. A lot of these will be bought as potential sucklers. Have a good few limo heifers out of br friesian on milk replacer at the moment. a share will be got in the back end in the west. really pushing to expand at the moment and trying to get the most out of the ground. finances are restricting a lot of my wants. but hopefully will be well set up in the back end. trying a good seed recommended specifically for intensive grazing. will be trying to get around 20 acres of the home place reseeded next year.

[leg wax]

!cid_cidImagegaps.jpg

!cid_cidImagejuy.jpgthis is the way i have done my gaps off the road ways ,it helped to keep the road way as narrow as possible but a 3000 gallon slurry tanker can still turn into paddocks in comfort.

[JohnBoy]

A paddock fencing question.

Apart from the obvious cost factors, what are the pros and cons of one versus two strands of wire?

[Muckit]

Originally Posted by blue5000

Pic 2 and 3 are a temporary trough made from a 200L acid barrel,

Blue I like your water trough. I've seen these bottom fed ball valves on youtube, but they looked at me with 10 heads when i went to local co-op looking for them.

Have you a costing for the valve? I have plenty of those barrels. I can get a jfc dt30 fitted with ball valve for €59.

[Muckit]

Originally Posted by JohnBoy

A paddock fencing question.

Apart from the obvious cost factors, what are the pros and cons of one versus two strands of wire?

Pros

• lower cost (as you mentioned)
• Less potential problems with stray earths. High vegetation (briars, strong stemmy grass) in summer and cattle won't be able to graze it.
• An offset topper or flail hedgecutter will fit under it.

Cons

• Young calves may stray under it

Perhaps I am wrong, but I think one strand regardless of enterprise is sufficient around hedged boundaries.

[Muckit]

Originally Posted by leg wax

this is the way i have done my gaps off the road ways

Thanks for posting Legwax. It's hard to tell the width of the gateways from posting. Would they be around 8m?
I am installing gates at the moment. Can you post pics of the posts either side of the gate so I can see how the power is carried and the handles are attached. Thanks

[vanderbadger]

Originally Posted by Muckit

Blue I like your water trough. I've seen these bottom fed ball valves on youtube, but they looked at me with 10 heads when i went to local co-op looking for them.

Have you a costing for the valve? I have plenty of those barrels. I can get a jfc dt30 fitted with ball valve for €59.

something like this maybe, bloody expensive. there is another brand called jobe i think

http://www.farmrite.co.uk/product/11...e-Trough-Model

[Muckit]

[QUOTE=vanderbadger;78303487]something like this maybe, bloody expensive. there is another brand called jobe i think

http://www.farmrite.co.uk/product/11...del[/QUOTE]

No Vander, they're basically the same as the old ball valves but with stronger flow.

Ones that blue5000 has used feed the trough from the bottom and the ball is suspended on a chain or string rather than an arm. The upside is that the fitting is immersed in the water away from cattle and valves just bobs out of the way. You can use a smaller 'trough'. You couldn't use a half blue barrel with an ordinary ball valve because they'd break it off!

[vanderbadger]

[QUOTE=Muckit;78304219]

Originally Posted by vanderbadger

something like this maybe, bloody expensive. there is another brand called jobe i think

http://www.farmrite.co.uk/product/11...del[/QUOTE]

No Vander, they're basically the same as the old ball valves but with stronger flow.

Ones that blue5000 has used feed the trough from the bottom and the ball is suspended on a chain or string rather than an arm. The upside is that the fitting is immersed in the water away from cattle and valves just bobs out of the way. You can use a smaller 'trough'. You couldn't use a half blue barrel with an ordinary ball valve because they'd break it off!

ya i cant seem to find the exact one but i think the same company make them, our coop store doesnt have them either but the guy who looks after my well pump tells me he can get them for me

[JohnBoy]

Originally Posted by Muckit

Pros

• lower cost (as you mentioned)
• Less potential problems with stray earths. High vegetation (briars, strong stemmy grass) in summer and cattle won't be able to graze it.
• An offset topper or flail hedgecutter will fit under it.

Cons

• Young calves may stray under it

Perhaps I am wrong, but I think one strand regardless of enterprise is sufficient around hedged boundaries.

do people find more issues with weeds under the double wire as cattle wont graze out under the wire?


On drinkers, does anyone make an equivilant to the JFC double unit, but with the ballcock accessible for maintenance?

ie, this plastic drinker


but with some sort of access like this concrete one.


does such a thing exist?