[Oranage2]

Originally Posted by MyKeyG

That's not what he said and you know it. Talk about twisting words to suit your argument, pathetic. Are you sure you're not a priest?

This all kicked off because bluewolf used the word stupid to describe the OP claiming they would allow their hypothetical children celebrate their hypothetical communion/confirmation so that they wouldn't hypothetically feel left left out. Hypothetically speaking of course.

Well I've a scale of A&A posters, some really clever ones at the top like Dades, Robinch, Galvasean and even Bluewolf though she really has let herself down on today's showing. I dont bother with magicmarker, he's right at the bottom.

[qrrgprgua]

Originally Posted by WolfgangWeisen

The thread topic is about the catholic communion ritual, yet the two people arguing against those who are against the religious rituals have now resulted to petty personal insults and are now bringing up communism.

Well done guys, you're good for a chuckle if nothing else.

They whole thread is hilarious.. As a believer I love this forum. Big bowl of pop-corn and I can kill time with what comes up here.

The OP does not even have kids.. They are thinking would might happen.. Sure the kid might just say lets go to disney land when the class is on communion ... probably leave the other kids jealous.

[MyKeyG]

Originally Posted by WolfgangWeisen

The thread topic is about communion, yet the two people arguing against those who are against the religious rituals have now resulted to petty personal insults and are now bringing up communism.

Well done guys, you're good for a chuckle if nothing else.

Says the poster who has nothing further to ad to the thread so he just keeps sending across digs while sitting in front of his computer chuckling to himself.

It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. You see what you want to see because you're completely incapable of mounting an argument. I have nothing against people who don't like religious ritual. I just don't agree with those who pick and choose the doctrines they wish to follow while criticising the ones they don't.

Cue twisting of words and/or accusation of petty personal insult because incapable of challenging the opinion!

[HemlockOption]

Re OP's question, you do have choices. For our first child his Catholic baptism was more or less arranged by family. He went to a catholic primary school until a place became available in the local Protestant school. This happened at an early stage and meant that he (and we!) didn't have to go through the rituals. We had our daughter baptised in the nearby protestant Church so that she also could attend the same school. No Catholic rituals to go through - happy days!

Having said that - we do live in Dublin which does allow for more choice than say, rural areas.

[MyKeyG]

Originally Posted by qrrgprgua

They whole thread is hilarious.. As a believer I love this forum. Big bowl of pop-corn and I can kill time with what comes up here.

The OP does not even have kids.. They are thinking would might happen.. Sure the kid might just say lets go to disney land when the class is on communion ... probably leave the other kids jealous.

The whole thread is a discussion. Does something have to have realistic bearing to command serious discussion? You do get the concept of debate do you not?

[qrrgprgua]

Originally Posted by MyKeyG

The whole thread is a discussion. Does something have to have realistic bearing to command serious discussion? You do get the concept of debate do you not?

By all means discuss. I am a back seat passenger in all this.

[WolfgangWeisen]

Originally Posted by Oranage2

Well I've a scale of A&A posters, some really clever ones at the top like Dades, Robinch, Galvasean and even Bluewolf though she really has let herself down on today's showing. I dont bother with magicmarker, he's right at the bottom.

Yourself and that other lad should trade skype contacts so you can bitch about the posters here in real time and compare your personal poster "scales', because if I was to bet on one thing being certain, it would be that not a single person here gives a flying f--k over what you think of them and where on your bizarre little scale they appear.

From insults to communism to now possibly the most bizarre form of an attempt at insulting people I've seen ... why don't you just bring up Hitler and be done with it? Because the argument yourself and your sidekick here have presented, while hilarious, has fallen flat on its face a number of times now and the things you're resorting to as a result are coming across more than a little desperate.

Originally Posted by MyKeyG

Says the poster who has nothing further to ad to the thread so he just keeps sending across digs while sitting in front of his computer chuckling to himself.

It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh the hypocrisy!

As I said guys, good for a chuckle if nothing else. I just hope you take yourselves as seriously as everyone else does.

[MagicMarker]

Originally Posted by Oranage2

Well have a look at communist Russia and China, forced atheism and look how well that turned out.

Well, ignoring the fact that this has been debunked countless times, as I'm sure you're aware but are happy to ignore. I was under impression that the sentence ''atheism was becoming more intolerant and oppressive'' than religion meant that it's not quite there yet.

So apart from those atrocities of the 20th Century that you mistakenly blame atheism for, is there anything more recent that you'd like to share with us? Surely for atheism to be almost as intolerant and oppressive as religion there must be loads of things to list out.

I'm surprised MyKeyG hasn't given us his examples yet, I'm really disappointed in fact.

Originally Posted by MyKeyG

That's not what he said and you know it. Talk about twisting words to suit your argument, pathetic. Are you sure you're not a priest?

He said forcing your kid not to believe is a ''silly game'', just like forcing them to believe is. He then went on to recommend waiting until secondary school to send them to a non-religious school, ergo indulging in the ''silly game'' in forcing them to believe in god during primary school.

Yep, I think I was pretty spot on with my OP.

[doctoremma]

Originally Posted by garysully1986

I was thinking for the last few days, I have no religous beliefs anymore but in the future if I decide to have kids they will obviously do the whole religion thing in school but what happens in regards to communion and confirmation.

I wont beat around the bush here, I don't want my kids to feel victimised because I dont have any beliefs, So would you have you're kids make their communion and confirmation so as not to feel left out from the rest of the group?

Even as mean as it sounds kids now days look forward to all the money they get for these ceremonies.

Do you proceed with these ceremonies with your own children or will you in the future?

I went to a UK Catholic school. My best friend at school was one of the non-Catholic quota of kids. All through school, she was naturally a bit clueless during some religious stuff, always felt a bit stupid at mass, getting blessed instead of getting wafers. She was never deliberately excluded, mind.

Fast forward 25 years and she became the only Catholic among us, late communion for her, got her kids done and everything*. The rest of us in the group had fallen back to apathy or the default atheist state, having never believed a word of it in the first place (me!).

So, if there's a lesson, it might be that the type of schooling you receive makes little difference to how you end up in life. However, it's fair to say that religion doesn't pervade society to the same extent as in Ireland, so it seemed pretty easy for me to drop out, maybe less so for you guys?

*She is no longer Catholic (nor are her kids), having 'opted out' after the sex abuse scandal.

[ElleEm]

I think it is utterly ridiculous that someone would sign their kids into an organisation that they don't agree with or believe in.

I think what people forget is that these kids become adults who are stuck belonging to a religion that they had no choice in. They can never leave!

I grew up as a non Catholic, and I went to Catholic schools.
I was never ridiculed and am so proud that my parents stuck to their guns at not conforming to fit in with others by forcing a religion on me.

[HemlockOption]

Originally Posted by ElleEm

I think what people forget is that these kids become adults who are stuck belonging to a religion that they had no choice in. They can never leave!

Of course they can. My husband has been officially removed from the Catholic register at his request, and I plan to do the same.

[TwoShedsJackson]

Originally Posted by HemlockOption

Of course they can. My husband has been officially removed from the Catholic register at his request, and I plan to do the same.

Well good luck with that attempt because they've changed canon law so you can't leave.

http://countmeout.ie/

[HemlockOption]

[QUOTE=TwoShedsJackson;77989640]Well good luck with that attempt because they've changed canon law so you can't leave.

http://countmeout.ie/[/QUOTE]

Well I suppose it depends on your perspective. As a tiny baby I had no say in joining, but as an adult, I can put it in writing to them that I no longer wish to be a member. That is enough to satisfy me.

Also there is the assumption that 'canon law' is somehow above the law of this country. Personally, I laugh at it. I think it is just another layer of church 'authority language' - like titles (father, your holiness, most gracious etc.) designed to make people feel in awe of them, and less likely to question the smoke and mirrors.

[garysully1986]

I have to say, I have only recently decided that I was done with religion.

This has to be the first time that I felt berated for opening a discussion on something I had been wondering about.

I think Bluewolf you were a bit harsh in your response.

While I understand some of your points and can assume that you are probably at wits end at times with catholic traditions, I was raised in a catholic household, my friends would all be catholics, not many people I know personally would be vocally atheist.

I came to this section of boards to ask an innocent question and got a tongue lashing as a result.

I do agree with several points so far but I feel that I will probably still let my hypothetical child go through communion and let them decide as I decided altough I will do this at an earlier stage. I had to discover atheism for myself, I will point out the facts to my child and let them decide for themselves.

I thank the posters for coming to my defence, as I said it was merely a simple question that i had been pondering. Had never heard of non religious schools and may decide at a later date to go down that road.

[WolfgangWeisen]

Ah, you didn't get it so bad

You'll find that with the "enlightenment" that generally comes with accepting the non-existence of the a God figure, you'll look at the various religious institutions or "cults" around the world more objectively and realise the atrocities that they get away with on a daily basis. Have a read of "God is not great" by Christopher Hitchens if you get the time.