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  • Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭mickmcl09


    not surprising. every 'pitbull' incident uses the same picture. they even used it on what turned out to be lab attack a few months back. obviously they never corrected their mistake or apologised for breed discrimination.

    red top journos are (generally) heartless scum who care very little about the impact their stories have... good or bad, as long as sells copy.

    They wouldn't put in a random picture of a human if they were doing an article where someone was seriously assaulted though, would they?

    Forgive the lack of my legal jargon, but the article could turn out to be defamatory towards the breed or in fact towards someones dog (if you could prove it was your dog in the picture). Could a breeders association look for some form of satisfaction?


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    mickmcl09 wrote: »
    They wouldn't put in a random picture of a human if they were doing an article where someone was seriously assaulted though, would they?

    Its the star, you never know what they are going to do.

    Akita Husky Mauls a 2 year old Human Ape


  • Registered Users Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Park Royal


    Its very hard to put an old head on young parents .....

    Its strange the number of young men have to get a dog shortly

    after their partner has a child......I'v noticed this many times.


  • Registered Users Posts: 105 ✭✭happyfish


    Think the main problem here has to be supervision. Sure maybe the dog was provoked but that's not the child's fault, the parents or owner should have stopped them as soon as they saw it happening. MY dog is great with kids, very laid back and patient but I would never leave her alone with a child. That's common sense regardless of the dog's breed or temperment . I feel sorry for the dog but at the same time I understand how people's minds would immediately go straight to "devil dog" in this kind of case since the poor child had such terrible injuries. Would love to know how the dog was being treated in general though, something tells me it wasn't well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Jelly 292


    I have a Siberian husky and a husky/lurcher, both are absolute saps, very gentle dogs and very well behaved (outside of normally doggie chewing stuff behavior)

    When kids are about the dogs just stand there wagging their tails as they are poked and prodded.
    I am always there to monitor the situation (as with ANY dog) but there has never been the hint of aggression from them, even after a kid poked one in the eye by accident.

    Ive had my dogs for 3 years and they are a joy for me.
    Im a dog owner all my life, collies and labs ,but wanted something different, more demanding maybe.
    I did my research for a few years before I got them to be sure I knew what I was getting into.
    I got 2 dogs to keep each other company when Im out. These animals should not be left alone for longer periods, they are pack focused dogs.


    My dogs get 4-5 miles walk/run every day at least. With firm/ fair/ consistent ,loving discipline these dogs have turned out to be wonderful characters, with a different mindset to the average dog, that's why I love them.

    Excersise/ Discipline/Affection= Happy Husky.

    I have recently moved down to Tramore and I see Huskys everywhere, and I mean 2 or 3 every time I go through town. All young. I am suspecting that there is a puppy farm in the area.
    I was not aware they had become such a common fashion accessory. This is the last dog you should buy to match your couch.

    To me most of these dogs look miserable. Bought as status symbols by people who have no clue what caring for these animals entails. Thrown into the back garden to gradually loose their marbles and then the poor dog snaps. Now I'm sure some of these owners love their dogs but most look like they aint got a clue.

    It breaks my heart and makes my blood boil.
    At the end of the day, good decent dogs are going to be put down after incidents like this or get run over after they break out ( believe me husky's find a way if you give em the chance) or just dumped into rescue as the penny drops they they are not your average mutt.

    Its at the Husky saturation point now where I am paranoid that folks look at me and think I am one of these 20 mins walk a week wonders who really don't give a sh!t about the dog and only cares for the image. sick.

    I'm ranting now but I've been waiting for a story like this to come along involving Sibes.

    I am not saying these folks mistreated the dog in question, I dont know the details but a few alarm bells are going off.

    I know if I miss 1 days walking then the Husky's are a rite handful, you know all about it. I can only imaging a poor husky that got out rarely.

    What to do?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 922 ✭✭✭trishasaffron


    I grew up with dogs but I never loved them and have always been slightly afraid of them - all breeds.

    I am sure there is a case to be made for dog ownership in certain exceptional cases but the obsession with ownership of a dogs or even ownership of multiple dogs in modern Ireland is bizarre and novel - its not something I have seen in other countries.

    I am not in the least surprised at this incident and while the child's carers are principally to blame I also would ask apologists for dog ownership in general to think about the logical consequences of their actions. In my very humble opinion dog ownership should be very exceptional and for specific purposes only and not in any household with young children.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    Just to go back a few posts, we still don't really know what breed was involved, some same husky, some say Malamute, some say Akita. Siberian huskies actually are a fantastic family dog, and have a reputation to that effect. I would never trust any dog with children unsupervised, but properly bred and socialised huskies should live with humans of all ages safely.

    Badly bred, unsocialised, unexercised dogs of all breeds, are going to have issues.

    Most of my dogs are rescues, and by the looks of them, come from show or pet lines. There is a kennel in Northern Ireland that has phenomenal working huskies, they have imported dogs from America, including dogs that have run in the Iditarod. They breed occasionally and are careful with whom they sell their pups to. They have said that I could have a pup, which made me feel great, but actually, as these are out and out working huskies, I don't feel that I can give them the right home. Most huskies in Ireland are fairly lazy and easy going compared to those from the racing lines, I have one boy that would sleep 23 hours a day, and trying to get him to work in harness is proving very problematic, he likes to sit down as we go down hills:rolleyes: So they can be great family pets, but they do need to be exericsed (on lead) and have company, either human or canine. Sticking them out in a garden and not walking them can have tragic outcomes. (not saying this is definitely the case here)


  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭Seb_bixby


    I completely agree about the way the dog is treated and exercised making a difference to the dog behaviour. I feel so sorry for all those dogs that I see locked up in back gardens all day and night. There are a few around me and you never see them walked.
    I just got a pup myself and having no back yard I am trying to toilet train him to go outside. This means going outside to the green area so he can do his business every hour at the very least where he gets a treat when he goes and gets to have a bit of a sniff around. Even if it's raining. He also gets two or three short walks a day too. (He's only young yet so can't go to far) I have gotten people that see me out with him saying things like, You'll have him wrecked with the amount of times your out and would you not use the puppy pads to train him and how I must be so annoyed having to come out so much. These are the same people with the dogs in the back yard all day, barking like crazy. :rolleyes:
    Hate to hear of something like this happening to a child, (I know what it feels like as was badly bitten by a dog when I was younger.) But just putting a certain type of dog on a list won't solve anything. After all the pitbull terrier, for years had the nickname " the nanny dog" in America for years because of their tolerance to children. It seems to me like dogs are becoming a casuality of the disposible society that we live in. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    I grew up with dogs but I never loved them and have always been slightly afraid of them - all breeds.

    I am sure there is a case to be made for dog ownership in certain exceptional cases but the obsession with ownership of a dogs or even ownership of multiple dogs in modern Ireland is bizarre and novel - its not something I have seen in other countries.

    I am not in the least surprised at this incident and while the child's carers are principally to blame I also would ask apologists for dog ownership in general to think about the logical consequences of their actions. In my very humble opinion dog ownership should be very exceptional and for specific purposes only and not in any household with young children.

    I'm sorry but you clearly haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about and have little or no exposure to dogs or their owners. Your belief that dog ownership (as pets) is mainly an Irish thing says all that needs to be said really.

    I've read a number of reports on the incident now and the only consistent thing that sticks out is irresponsibility. It was irresponsible to take in a dog which would grow to a size that the owner could not handle physically (at 6 months old, at that!) and it was particularly irresponsible to leave a 2 year old child with an undeveloped, yet physically capable pup in the back garden. Negligent even and I would hope that if proven, that the parents in question will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    My natural inclination having read a number of reports is to make further assumptions about the owners and the circumstances which caused this incident to happen. I don't think it's fair to air those assumptions though, as they're completely baseless and are indeed biased due to my personal perception of the people pictured, the known circumstances and facts such as it being a Christmas pup.

    The handling by the media has been odd, to say the least. I had a comment on the Independent earlier, which merely stated that the only people responsible for what happened are the parents and the incident is the product of terrible parenting and what is surely bound to be terrible dog ownership. It got posted (by a moderator), received a few "likes" and has subsequently been deleted. I don't read the "red tops" but I can imagine the sensationalist dregs of journalism are having a field day over the "dangerous" dog.

    An incident such as this should serve as proof that not everyone is up to dog ownership and not everyone who is up to it is up to owning big or strong breeds and that there is a desperate need for dog ownership and control to be properly legislated. However, it won't, and like the person I quoted, most will just come away from learning of this believing that some dogs are vicious by nature.

    With regards to the dog, it is horrifying to see so many ... undesirables ... turning these beautiful sled dog breeds into "hard man" breeds here. Overall they're extremely passive and wonderful dogs who simply require a lot of work, and are very low down on the list of "biters". It would be a travesty to see them being thrown onto the draconian and ignorant "restricted breeds" list.

    Yet again we see a push towards blaming the dog, Irish people won't cop on to reality of canine ownership until all these "dangerous" are ignorantly banned and suddenly we see a bunch of "non dangerous" dogs replacing them on equal measures on the "bite/attack" statistics.

    Hrmph!


  • Registered Users Posts: 48 galway23


    Can't really add much to what has been said here other than to say I have a Cavalier King Charles, a breed that is almost always said to be suitable around children, my lady is an absolute gem of a dog with such a lovely and gentle personality, BUT would I ever leave her alone with a two year child, or any young child, NEVER, as much for the dogs wellbeing as the childs. This incident is terrible for all concerned but was totally preventable


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 6,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    Any dog should be purchased under the following circumstances:

    After basic research into the breed, it's traits and needs, the bloodlines it comes from and the purchaser should have confidence that they can cater for all this day in and day out for the next 15 years.

    It should be raised in a situation where it is made familiar to the daily hustle and bustle of normal human life, and should remain there until it is old enough to have learned how domestic dogs interact with each other and with people. It should be well handled and bite resistance training starts with the dam and littermates, this is why taking a puppy home before it is 8 weeks old is one of the worst things you can do, especially if it is going to a home where there are no other dogs that they can learn this from.

    The next faux pas is keeping the dog in conditions where this development is not continued. A pup needs to be exposed to every situation imaginable before it is 18 weeks old. Bite resistance needs to be firmly established by this time, that means the boundary of how much pressure is permitted to be applied by the dogs jaws is set.

    Continued socialisation is not optional, neither is training, neither is understanding the nature and origins of your breed and ensuring appropriate activities are provided as an outlet to satisfy it's needs and instincts otherwise the dog will find it's own outlets for its frustrations.

    As has been said multiple times, no dog should ever be left unsupervised with a child, but supervision alone is not enough, interaction between the dog and child needs to be strictly policed - and far too many people are completely blazee (sp?) about this aspect of owing a pet. The first two years of a dogs life in particular is bloody hard work and people should not enter into this if they don't intend to see it through completely.

    Toddlers are a completely alien concept to a dog, babies they can relate to somewhat, older children they can relate to but pretty much all dogs have no understanding of this phase of human development. They can't interpret the clumsy movements, the getting up in their faces all the time and the rough handling. Most toddlers have little concept of empathy, consequence or self-restraint. It sounds like this dog did not have benefit of sharing the house with this child as a baby which may have helped to some extent. Basicly what I'm saying here is that the child should not have had close enough contact with this pup (if it was a pup) to allow this situation to arise in the first place as the child in particular is not at a stage where he is capable of understanding how to interact with an animal in a safe manner.

    Now the above is the absolute minimum understanding required for someone bringing a young pup into a house but the vast majority base their decision purely on idiotic bright ideas like - all kids should have a pet growing up, Johnny down the road has one and his is the most amazing dog, I had a dog growing up so my kids should have one too . . . spur of the moment decision, buy the first one you see etc. etc.

    Bit unreasonable to expect someone to be responsible for kids and dogs when they lack even basic self-control over their own impulses :rolleyes:

    Please note this is somewhat of a general sweeping post as I don't want to get into speculation as the facts of this particular case are far from clear, but we have all seen the above puppy buying scenario unfold time and time again both on and off this forum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Kash


    I am sure there is a case to be made for dog ownership in certain exceptional cases but the obsession with ownership of a dogs or even ownership of multiple dogs in modern Ireland is bizarre and novel - its not something I have seen in other countries.

    Which countries are these may I ask? Dogs are incredibly popular in the UK, France, Germany with reported figures being anything between 25% and 40% of households having at least one dog (sources vary).

    The only difference that I would notice is that Ireland is quite unique in the fact that a lot of our family pets are kept outside, which is almost unheard of in the UK etc. We also have much lower tolerance for dogs in this country - if you go out for a meal in France or Germany, you are highly likely to see at least one dog sitting under or ever at one of the tables, and people bring them in to the supermarket, the hairdressers etc. This is so normal, that no-one would ever bat an eyelid.

    Forgive my curiosity, but it is such an antithesis to my own experience, I am intrigued!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    and far too many people are completely blazee (sp?) about this aspect of owing a pet.

    *Blasé :)

    I agree with your post though. In the comments on the article on the Independent today, which I now can't find, someone posted saying that as a vet, they have spent years dealing with animals that have a significant injury, or significant injuries, as a result of irresponsible parents/owners letting their toddlers do whatever they want to the animal.

    Keeping dogs away from children unless under strict supervision is for everyone's benefit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭boxerly


    What ever the parents did or didnt do or wether the dog wasnt walked enough etc still doent justify an innocent little child being mauled,AND if god forbid a dog ever mauled my child Id pick up the nearest thing and hit them.Hope the child makes a full recovery x


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    boxerly wrote: »
    What ever the parents did or didnt do or wether the dog wasnt walked enough etc still doent justify an innocent little child being mauled

    Who was suggesting it did?


  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭boxerly


    read back


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    boxerly wrote: »
    read back
    I've read the entire thread from the start, a lot of different articles covering the incident and the associated comments with it. I've yet to see anyone saying that negligent parenting or ownership justified the attack or mauling of a child. Therefore, I would like you to highlight who/where explicitly justified the attack.

    What I have read is a lot of good input, along with a lot of irrational input, on the causes of the attack. I didn't see anybody, good or bad contributor, justify the harm done to the child.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYLMqKC3NqY


    Interesting video, the "hero" the papers are on about is 10 minutes in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,724 ✭✭✭Dilbert75


    I don't think anyone is trying to say that it was alright that the child was injured. Its just that the dog is being blamed when the owners/parents were those who were responsible.

    Is it just me who thinks that the Restricted Breeds list should be replaced by a list of breeds who can only be owned by certain types of people? It seems to me that once a dog is properly provided & cared for, it's far less likely to be involved in this kind of incident.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Agreed. Why don't the media actually report the negligence of the parents instead of blaming the animal who is now going to be put down. The parents where negligent. If we were in the US social services would be calling to the parents to see if they are actually up to the job.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭time lord


    Got a call today to go and seize a husky and a samoyed. Really thought the boss was winding me up as I wasn't long off reading boards.ie on tea break:D.
    Turned out to be an easy venture as both were lovely and a cluded in homeowner had put them into her back garden. Very lively pair and both a long way from home too.
    Hope this was post was somewhat relevant to the thread as its always nice to meet a nice dog. Husky types definately the "trendy" dog to have at the moment. New fashions in having certain breeds quite regular now I notice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYLMqKC3NqY


    Interesting video, the "hero" the papers are on about is 10 minutes in.

    I think that video confirms or aligns with the perception a lot of people had of the people in question.
    Dilbert75 wrote: »
    Is it just me who thinks that the Restricted Breeds list should be replaced by a list of breeds who can only be owned by certain types of people? It seems to me that once a dog is properly provided & cared for, it's far less likely to be involved in this kind of incident.

    This is what I would push for myself. Personally I think a real licensing system is necessary for both the long term health of a lot of people and a lot of dog breeds. Something like the driving licenses, a "learner" permit whereby a first time dog owner is allowed to home a small/dog of constrained capabilities with a mandatory amount of lessons involved. If they show themselves to be responsible dog owners - up to date vet care, keep the dog insured, etc. then after a few years they're entitled to take on other dogs, with mandatory training involved again.

    Stick similar licensing on breeders and enforce it and we'd soon see the "hard men" with the badly bred, badly trained "dangerous" dogs disappearing as it would simply be too much hassle. Sorting out the breeding situation would also do wonders.

    Unfortunately, given the way people operate here, it's much more likely that there will be a lazy blanket ban stuck on a few breeds, as the "restricted dogs list" hogwash was, and we'll see the country made devoid of some really wonderful breeds, all because those in authority weren't bothered doing something about the people abusing them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭FueledByAisling


    Child shouldn't have been left alone with a dog, I learnt my lesson as a youngster and had my cheek bitten off. Regardless the owners never put down the dog even though he'd tasted human blood and the dog later attacked two more children within it's life.

    'The dog warden transported the animal back to the Limerick dog pound yesterday where it is due to be destroyed'

    Could they not use a different word to describe the poor thing being put down? :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 295 ✭✭john t


    If a dog bites or savages a child,, the wording too kill the dog means nothing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Jelly 292


    I suppose its hopeless to ask if there is any way to stop this dog being 'destroyed' ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Jelly 292


    If a dog bites or savages a child,, the wording too kill the dog means nothing.

    The owners should be charged with neglect of child and dog.They created this situation in every way.Idiots


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭WolfgangWeisen


    Jelly 292 wrote: »
    I suppose its hopeless to ask if there is any way to stop this dog being 'destroyed' ?
    The reports say that the dog was taken to a pound in Ennis. Googling brought me
    <links removed>

    I don't know if it would be PTS yet, however there's no harm in ringing and finding out what the status is. I don't know about rescuing a dog taken for aggression, however if you were to be truthful to an insurance company, you'd have little or no chance of getting it coverage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 295 ✭✭john t


    owner of a dog which harm human is liable for prosecution / fine / dog arrest ..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Jelly 292


    owner of a dog which harm human is liable for prosecution / fine / dog arrest ..

    Forgive me, its late, whats your point?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 mazdamps


    Poor dog, at 6 months he was just a baby

    Treated properly they are very affectionate and sweet.


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    By the looks of it, the poor thing is better off dead.

    Just look at the hero at the 10 minute mark.

    The hero on all the papers, is your typical scumbag.



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