[dougieruggie]

Who on earth was stupid enough to believe that Overeem wasn't juicing?

I mean look at him. Genetics and hard training play a role but lets be realistic here, hes bigger than most bodybuilders who juice and this is all while competing in a high cardio sport. Do people honestly think its possible to have that sort of muscle size and definition without steroids??

Jesus christ.

[MrStuffins]

Originally Posted by dougieruggie

Who on earth was stupid enough to believe that Overeem wasn't juicing?

I mean look at him. Genetics and hard training play a role but lets be realistic here, hes bigger than most bodybuilders who juice and this is all while competing in a high cardio sport. Do people honestly think its possible to have that sort of muscle size and definition without steroids??

Jesus christ.

For a lot of people it was a case of innocent til proven guilty.

You can't just go around saying "that fella is on steroids" and treat it as fact without due process.

[LordChessington]

I am also jumping on the Mark Hunt bandwagon

[El Guapo!]

Just read that his T/E ratio was 14:1


LINKY

UFC No. 1 heavyweight contender Alistair Overeem produced a testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio of 14:1 in his failed urine test, Nevada state athletic commission executive director Keith Kizer told MMA Fighting on Thursday, shortly after he learned of the final result.
The average male produces a T/E ratio around 1:1. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) uses a 4:1 standard for positive tests, and NSAC uses 6:1 as its cutoff, a number used by WADA up until 2006.

In NSAC's original statement announcing the flagged result, Overeem was said to have tested at a level higher than 10:1.
Overeem has the right to ask for his B-sample to be tested to ensure the accuracy of the result. That would likely trigger a carbon isotope ratio test, which would determine whether the testosterone in his body was natural or synthetic.
Because Overeem (36-11, 1 no contest) is unlicensed in Nevada, he cannot be punished for the test, but he would face an uphill task in trying to gain a license to fight Junior Dos Santos at UFC 146 as originally scheduled.
Overeem's number is slightly lower than that of Chael Sonnen when he was caught with an elevated level in 2010. Sonnen, who lost to Anderson Silva the day after the test was taken, produced a sample with a 16.9:1 ratio.
To date, the UFC has still not addressed any potential replacement for Overeem, though a source with knowledge of the situation said the promotion would most likely choose former champion Frank Mir to face dos Santos.
UFC 146 takes place on May 26 at Las Vegas' MGM Grand Garden Arena.

I'd say there's little point in him asking for his B sample to be tested at this stage. His levels were way above the allowed limits.
Along with most other people, I always suspected Overeem was juicing, but as has been said you can't just go around making allegations without any proof.
I actually think the instances of people being caught in mma recently may be good for the sport. It might make people rethink using PEDs for fear of being caught. Of course people will always find ways around everything.

[Roar]

how stupid is the dude? seriously? after his warning from the commission last time that he'd be subject to two random drugs tests in 6 months, he goes and does this? There's dumb, and there's downright stupid, and this is downright stupid.

[Hide the Rum]

No word from his camp. Would be interesting to finally hear a fighter say "Yeah I got caught."

[DB888]

Hunt could knock out a horse with either hand.If he had peyrhaps had another win on his streak against another good name I reckon they would give it to him over Mir if thats the way there gonna go.All this providing Reem is 100% guilty

[Deus Ex Machina]

Chael Sonnen's reaction via twitter:

"He has the body fat of a tooth brush, looks like the guy on STREET FIGHTER. My mind is blown, just blown."

[00benski]

Originally Posted by MrStuffins

For a lot of people it was a case of innocent til proven guilty.

You can't just go around saying "that fella is on steroids" and treat it as fact without due process.

Innocent until proven guilty my ass, this is real life not some stupid court room or some silly bubble we are living in ( altough some people on this form seem to be ). The fact of the matter is as ive said already, ped abuse is rampant in 80% of elite athletes.

Do you think they never want to give themselves an edge, to become the best... to get the next big paycheck. Its what they do. Lets all open our eyes. As ive said already if the commessions had more funding and money to police this then it might be differant..

[scudzilla]

Originally Posted by 00benski

Innocent until proven guilty my ass, this is real life not some stupid court room or some silly bubble we are living in ( altough some people on this form seem to be ). The fact of the matter is as ive said already, ped abuse is rampant in 80% of elite athletes.

Do you think they never want to give themselves an edge, to become the best... to get the next big paycheck. Its what they do. Lets all open our eyes. As ive said already if the commessions had more funding and money to police this then it might be differant..

Bollox

[dougieruggie]

Originally Posted by 00benski

Innocent until proven guilty my ass, this is real life not some stupid court room or some silly bubble we are living in ( altough some people on this form seem to be ). The fact of the matter is as ive said already, ped abuse is rampant in 80% of elite athletes.

Do you think they never want to give themselves an edge, to become the best... to get the next big paycheck. Its what they do. Lets all open our eyes. As ive said already if the commessions had more funding and money to police this then it might be differant..

Bollix to that, its 80% rampant in sports with less than stringent testing.

In rugby, a game that puts a huge emphasis on strength and power you never see physiques like Overeems in even the biggest players.

Why is that? Because rugby players are strictly tested.

Until MMA gets strict testing then you'll constantly have athletes testing positive. I have the uptmost respect for Lesnar who is probably one of the few athletes in the HWD (JDS, Velasquez, Nelson being others) who didnt actually juice (you can tell by the fact that Lesnar lost an awful lot of his muscle)

I'll get a ban for this. But if you think Shane Carwin doesnt juice as well your living in la-la land. Ban me now, just like you banned the other posters who said Overeem juiced.

I mean its pretty obvious. Stuffins 'innocent until proven guilty' anyone with a brain can see what athletes are obviously juicing. I was reading the other thread and the fact that yourself and Oglesby were saying Overeem could be natural and that no one knows how hard these guys train etc. is beyond comedy.

[00benski]

Oh ye sorry i take back what i said, all you need to do is drink your milk... get plenty of good sleep and train your ass off, and one day you to could become a superstar.

[MrStuffins]

Originally Posted by 00benski

Innocent until proven guilty my ass, this is real life not some stupid court room or some silly bubble we are living in ( altough some people on this form seem to be ). The fact of the matter is as ive said already, ped abuse is rampant in 80% of elite athletes.

Do you think they never want to give themselves an edge, to become the best... to get the next big paycheck. Its what they do. Lets all open our eyes. As ive said already if the commessions had more funding and money to police this then it might be differant..

Yes, innocent until proven guilty. Just like I couldnt just go around telling everyone you were a child molester just because I thought you looked like one

[00benski]

Doug i have to disagree with you on your rugby point, i know a guy that actually supplies hgh to some pro rugby guys, so on this point ill leave it at that

[Barry.Oglesby]

Originally Posted by 00benski

Innocent until proven guilty my ass, this is real life not some stupid court room or some silly bubble we are living in ( altough some people on this form seem to be ). The fact of the matter is as ive said already, ped abuse is rampant in 80% of elite athletes.

Do you think they never want to give themselves an edge, to become the best... to get the next big paycheck. Its what they do. Lets all open our eyes. As ive said already if the commessions had more funding and money to police this then it might be differant..

Out with the proof so. 80% you say? Let's see either who you reckon is "on" or who you've been injecting.

A lot of people say "he's juicing" because they can't conceive that someone has better genetics, works harder, trains smarter and has better coaches than they do.

Remember kids, if he's stronger than you, faster than you, bigger than you, or he beat you, then he's on gear!