[PerlenBacher]

Bertie is bad enough. But its the people who supported him and still do that make me sick.

Was watching the news earlier and it interviewed a few random members of the public. Most were telling it the way it is ... except one woman in perticular

To quote, "Bertie wasnt all that bad, sure he did good things like the croke park thing"

[RobbingBandit]

Originally Posted by Orando Broom

Name me one Irish man or woman who could lead a revolution in this country, who could sweep out the old guard of all colour and stripe and root and branch reform our dysfunctional political system. One name, that is all I ask.

Me, yes I am serious. Fcuk these basterds who are in power and opposition, elections do not work and neither does oligarchy as lets face it the same people running every few years or those they have inspired is not democracy. We need to overhaul the entire public system nothing should be allowed to remain as it is it does not work, if your family be that any member of it has served in any area of politics and fcuked up in any way you should be prohibited from doing so.

[Andy Carroll]

Originally Posted by Awful_Bliss

I bet Bertie doesn't give two f**ks about being expelled from Fianna Fail. He's on a fat pension and living off giving speeches to idiots who still believe he's a faultless man. He will give a f**k if he's thrown in jail and buggered by three big lads in the jacks. We all know this won't happen.

The current government think, however, that they can put thousands of people in court for not paying a 100euros household charge. They'll let this cockroach off the hook along with the likes of Sean Fitzpatrick et al.

Most of them know he is crooked, they just admire it.

Originally Posted by John Doe1

Ahern is a prime example of why dublin should be given back to the vikings

Yea it's a Dublin thing alright. Crooked politician all over the country.

[expectationlost]

you could get him kicked off the council of state but you'd probably have to wait till he's prosecuted so....:/

[gurramok]

Originally Posted by benway

Still on VB, Charlie Flanagan reckons Bertie could be charged with lying under oath for one thing, as well as tax offences...

Ah yeh, will he get 6 years like the garlic man? Yeh right.

[KeithAFC]

Originally Posted by wexie

Obama vows to return to 'magical' Ireland
Barack Obama given Irish ancestry certificate

I'm telling ya, it's a sign.....

Lets hope it is just the Republic.

[cournioni]

Originally Posted by PerlenBacher

Bertie is bad enough. But its the people who supported him and still do that make me sick.

Was watching the news earlier and it interviewed a few random members of the public. Most were telling it the way it is ... except one woman in perticular

To quote, "Bertie wasnt all that bad, sure he did good things like the croke park thing"

I'm convinced that the people who support him are buying into his whole "ah how are ya", smiley, "look at me aren't I friendly?!" act that he puts on. He's a abject little ****er, and I hope he gets what should be coming to him.

[the groutch]

I can't wait to dance on his grave, like that guy did with Haughey

[Biggins]

Originally Posted by cournioni

I'm convinced that the people who support him are buying into his whole "ah how are ya", smiley, "look at me aren't I friendly?!" act that he puts on...

Thats exactly how Haughty got elected - and Ahern was his underling (Minister of Finance - no less!).
The man learned well from his other previous crook!

...And think on this, the Mahon Tribunal only really dealed with a few financial dealings, within a very small couple of years.
So what might have been going on for some time before that and with how many other people, over years, decades...?
We will never know!
...Well unless Ahern is in a dock and maybe - maybe spills some secrets he's keeping. A dock where many maybe still in power, does not want to see him in!

[Chairman Meow]

Originally Posted by Jack_Russell

poor aul Bertie,

didn't he have a portrait of Padraig Pearse in his office?

and him a lover of the GAA as well, a modest pint drinker, a man of the paeple, an ordinary man, and a more devout Catholic you'll not witness.

didn't ye all vote fer him when we were booming?

and if we were still booming wouldn't ye still be voting 'n cheering fer him?

sure he transformed this place!

I never voted for FF or Bertie, ever. I always knew he was crooked as a dogs hind leg. He's a lying, cheating, underhanded scumbag of a human being who should be ashamed to show his ****ing face in public.
But hey it only cost a few hundred million Euro to prove what everyone already knew...that was money well spent.
The ****er should rot in jail.

[ilovesleep]

Originally Posted by Biggins

Thats exactly how Haughty got elected - and Ahern was his underling (Minister of Finance - no less!).
The man learned well from his other previous crook!

...And think on this, the Mahon Tribunal only really dealed with a few financial dealings, within a very small couple of years.
So what might have been going on for some time before that and with how many other people, over years, decades...?
We will never know!
...Well unless Ahern is in a dock and maybe - maybe spills some secrets he's keeping. A dock where many maybe still in power, does not want to see him in!

Pressure has to be put on this fcuk big time so he sings.

Did the tribunal find anything about his office - 200,000+ euro was spent renovating his office. That's the same amount as a mortgage and money went missing there but into who's pocket?

[Biggins]

Originally Posted by ilovesleep

Pressure has to be put on this fcuk big time so he sings.

Did the tribunal find anything about his office - 200,000+ euro was spent renovating his office. That's the same amount as a mortgage and money went missing there but into who's pocket?

The tribunal judges wanted to dig more into other areas but there was a rush to court by opposition, to force the judges to have more limited remit in what they could delve into.
The judges suspected there might be more, much more (and I suspect they were/are right) but if they wanted to go further and investigate more - that soon was shot down by heads in Dublin.
The obvious question arises - if heads in Dublin were innocent - what had they to fear?

[toexpress]

Digging further into things is really rather pointless. We all knew for quite some time what Bertie Ahern and many of his friends and colleagues were. We didn't need a 15 year tribunal and millions of Euro spent to tell us that. It simply, in the most expensive way possible, confirmed what anyone with a brain in their head already knew.

If we spend more money digging it will still be an exercise in futility because even if they find him corrupt and charges are brought before a court of law Bertie will delay for years and years and if it did actually get a hearing date he would never see the inside of a prison cell.

I hate to break this to the nation but the time served for any of these has been done. It was Frank Dunlop and he certainly didn't serve his time with dignity and respect for the Irish people.

As frustrating as it is I suggest we all suck it up and move on. Nothing more will ever happen

[ilovesleep]

Originally Posted by toexpress

Digging further into things is really rather pointless. We all knew for quite some time what Bertie Ahern and many of his friends and colleagues were. We didn't need a 15 year tribunal and millions of Euro spent to tell us that. It simply, in the most expensive way possible, confirmed what anyone with a brain in their head already knew.

You're missing the point. FG could be very well deep rooted in corruption and this is the party that we elected last year to care for this country and in reality they are just covering their own asses.

[crusher000]

To think the men of 1916 laid down their lives to get this countries Independance for the likes Bertie and the majority of our politicians could line their own pockets and break our nation. Do our politicians say an Oath on election to the Dail? If so any politician found not only to be corrupt but incompetent should be charged in bringing the security of this State into jeopardy. I have said it before not on these forums and will say it again our politicans do not represent the majority of the citizens of this country whom are working class and until that day comes it will be always about them making more money and keeping the rest of us down. We need greater represntation for the working and poor classes (don't like using these terms but what's the alternatives) to truly reflect the demographic make up of Irelands population.