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20-03-2012, 13:24   #1
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Time for lane and triffic light cams ?

I hate the idea of the roads ( or country ) being over policed but given the amount of red light jumpers and lane hoggers we have here is it time we used "safety cameras" to police this ?
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in a word - yes. especially for all those idiots who fly down the bus lane and then stick their indicator on causing the very traffic they are trying to avoid. perhaps cameras would be a deterrent or perhaps we could get into the bus lane once they get in and just drive up along side them with your indicator on
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Reg Light Gatso's aren't perfect.

There are a few situations where you get stuck in the junction and get flashed by the camera.

IMO for them to work you need to put them on Junctions that are black spots and have them clearly advertised.

For the Lane hoggers there are overhead gantry solutions that also measure tailgating as well as lane hogging.

IMO a sliding scale for both would make people think twice.

E.G. here in Germany it was 280 euros for under 1.5 seconds after passing a red light, for over 1.5 seconds it was 900 euros and a 3 month ban.
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Can I just say in case there's any confusion that bus lanes do have public use times advertised on little blue signs at the side of the road.

The number of people who have nearly run into the back of the car in front of them (thinking I was trying to get into their lane) while I was using the bus lane at the correct time astounds me. The attitude of "you'll not get ahead of me" needs to stop. I'm all for safe driving and progression but blocking people who are trying to pass because there's a hazardous/potentially dangerous driver in front of them is ridiculous.
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The attitude of "you'll not get ahead of me" needs to stop. .
It wouldnt exist if there werent people abusing things like bus lanes or left/right turn only lanes to skip ahead of a line of traffic. Using a bus lane out of hours is well and good, but theres no shortage of people using them when they are in operation.
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Can I just say in case there's any confusion that bus lanes do have public use times advertised on little blue signs at the side of the road.
SSHHH !


and agree with OP povided it worked correctly for breaking lights etc.
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Reg Light Gatso's aren't perfect.

There are a few situations where you get stuck in the junction and get flashed by the camera.

IMO for them to work you need to put them on Junctions that are black spots and have them clearly advertised.

For the Lane hoggers there are overhead gantry solutions that also measure tailgating as well as lane hogging.

IMO a sliding scale for both would make people think twice.

E.G. here in Germany it was 280 euros for under 1.5 seconds after passing a red light, for over 1.5 seconds it was 900 euros and a 3 month ban.
Should have this on the Slane road heading south this morning when a truck carrying a full load of concrete slabs (in a 12 Mn truck) went flying through the red light on the truck lane at least 5 seconds after the light had gone red. At the time there was very heavy fog and so visibility was crap.
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I'm not long back from California, where they have red light cams. Very effective there. It's a $480 fine for being caught breaking a red light by these cameras, and they tend to be a very good deterrant.

I think they would be great here, especially since we have no reason not to stop at a red light (over there you can turn on a red).

Traffic lane cameras, would work if done correctly (noting the day/time when a bus lane is in operation, etc).
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Yes all these things will come, in the same way as we accepted clamping and onstreet parking fees.

We just love to bend over and make ourselves miserable don't we!
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I'm not long back from California, where they have red light cams. Very effective there. It's a $480 fine for being caught breaking a red light by these cameras, and they tend to be a very good deterrant.

I think they would be great here, especially since we have no reason not to stop at a red light (over there you can turn on a red).

Traffic lane cameras, would work if done correctly (noting the day/time when a bus lane is in operation, etc).
Ah, but some states have started (and completely) removed their red light cameras, or if they still exist they don't actually send out a fine. Reason behind it was because people jammed on the brakes at the last second when they spotted the cameras ahead and caused accidents all over the place, which is exactly what would happen over here I'd imagine. The slightest whiff of a garda vehicle and people stomp on the brakes, even if they were well under the limit anyway!
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Yes all these things will come, in the same way as we accepted clamping and onstreet parking fees.

We just love to bend over and make ourselves miserable don't we!
I dont see how peopel stopping for red lights etc is make them miserable? In fact gettign hit by someone that comes through a red light would make be much more miserabel than if they stopped at it.

I was pulling out at a junction a couple of years back at the end of a road near me I use everyday . I was 2nd in the queue and the light went green. I had been distracted for a second and was a bit slow to pull out so there was about a 10 -15 metre gap to the first car. With that a guy comes sailign through the lights from my right straight between me and te car in front. On any other day I'd have been in a very fast side on crash.

As for clamping. Cant say thats made me miserable either, I've never been clamped. Most likely becaus eof the way I park though rather than just luck.
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On street parking then? does that not make you miserable when you have to go find a shop that sells a disc and scrape all the silver ibits off. Would you not be happier if you could park where you like?

I know of a UK town with bus lane cameras where you will get a ticket if you put as much as one wheel into the bus lane for a second. It dosn't have any point unless you delay a bus by doing so and to fine people for doing it is simply revenue generation, designed to make otherwise law-abiding citizens unhappy.
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On street parking then? does that not make you miserable when you have to go find a shop that sells a disc and scrape all the silver ibits off. Would you not be happier if you could park where you like?

I know of a UK town with bus lane cameras where you will get a ticket if you put as much as one wheel into the bus lane for a second. It dosn't have any point unless you delay a bus by doing so and to fine people for doing it is simply revenue generation, designed to make otherwise law-abiding citizens unhappy.
With you on the parking, as Jezza once said the most idiotic use for a motor vehicle is to drive around for an hour looking for a place to park, thereby adding to traffic build up and pollution.
But when it comes to rule enforcement I am getting more right wing and fascist as I get older.
I want arseholes that block entrances and disabled spaces to be clamped and towed.
I want bastards that deliberately use the wrong lane in order to boot it past everyone else to get a €120 fine and two points.
I want wankers that deliberately hog the "fasht" lane to get the same, plus being forced to sit their test again, theory at least.
I would like the Traffic Crap to actually enforce rules, rather than just go "tax, insurance, graaand!" whilst waving a burning car with an axe-murderer at the wheel through a check-point or just standing there with a hairdrier.
In short, this country needs at least a decade of brutal, fascist enforcement of the ROTR to just get it through people's thick skulls that the road is there for everyone, not just them and their rotten brood.
Maybe then some sense of discipline will finally evolve.
Because right now it's just Me from A to B any which way as long as I get there first.
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With you on the parking, as Jezza once said the most idiotic use for a motor vehicle is to drive around for an hour looking for a place to park, thereby adding to traffic build up and pollution.
But when it comes to rule enforcement I am getting more right wing and fascist as I get older.
I want arseholes that block entrances and disabled spaces to be clamped and towed.
I want bastards that deliberately use the wrong lane in order to boot it past everyone else to get a €120 fine and two points.
I want wankers that deliberately hog the "fasht" lane to get the same, plus being forced to sit their test again, theory at least.
I would like the Traffic Crap to actually enforce rules, rather than just go "tax, insurance, graaand!" whilst waving a burning car with an axe-murderer at the wheel through a check-point or just standing there with a hairdrier.
In short, this country needs at least a decade of brutal, fascist enforcement of the ROTR to just get it through people's thick skulls that the road is there for everyone, not just them and their rotten brood.
Maybe then some sense of discipline will finally evolve.
Because right now it's just Me from A to B any which way as long as I get there first.
I want for people to chill out and stop getting so worked up about stuff thats completely out of their control.
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26-03-2012, 19:10   #15
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I want for people to chill out and stop getting so worked up about stuff thats completely out of their control.
You've been in Germany, you might have noticed whilst there is enforcement, there isn't a police office on every street corner.
First thing I noticed when I came here is squad cars everywhere and cops on the street everywhere.
In Germany you wouldn't see half as much of that, yet you also wouldn't see half as much bad lane discipline, disregard for speed limits, disregard for lights, disregard for parking regulations and any kind of rule or law whatsoever.
There is just a mindset that says "this is the law, that's what everyone else does and I have to stick to that"
Here it is "if I just shnake past that huge line of traffic with my left indicator on and then floor it past the first car at the front I can go ahead of all these suckers! The system works for me!"
The Irish are just inherently bad at obeying laws, first thing they will do when a new law comes around is to say "How can I get around this?" and the second is "How can I make this work for me?"
As a German I have to admit it grates my nerves. Whilst also invoking some kind stupefied awe and jealousy in me, because I could never drive past 50 cars, park across the entrance to a shopping center, sealing the place off, parking everywhere I damn well please or just in general regard other road users as decoration at best.
I am genuinely conflicted about this, I love it and hate in in equal measures, I guess I've been here too long.
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