[Mr.Crinklewood]

Originally Posted by Keno 92

Take me with you! If it's a Delorean even better!

Ready to rock, only hassle is that Park has the key.

[Keno 92]

Originally Posted by Mr.Crinklewood

Ready to rock, only hassle is that Park has the key.

He is just obsessed with ruining my week.

[POSSY]

Heard a great description of Park today: He's like a young pup chasing a ball, hasn't a clue what to do when he gets it but he'll run after it all day.

[UDAWINNER]

Originally Posted by POSSY

Given Wigan just beat NUFC 4-0 and have QPR at home who were beaten 6-1 in a derby match against Chelski, plus City being more than up for it after last night, if both Utd and City win both games (and us beating Sunderland is by no means a guarantee), if I was a betting man I'd be putting money on City scoring more goals than we do. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a case of us eeking out a victory on Sunday.


Perfect time perhaps for 2 great servants to the club,O'Shea and O.G., to come to our rescue!

Who is this, forgive me as its been a long day in work: OWN GOAL

[Owen_S]

Originally Posted by UDAWINNER

Who is this, forgive me as its been a long day in work

Cast your mind back to the 2009/10 season, OG chipped in with 10 goals that season, a great return IMO. Losing OG has lost us the title.

[POSSY]

Originally Posted by Owen_S

Cast your mind back to the 2009/10 season, OG chipped in with 10 goals that season, a great return IMO. Losing OG has lost us the title.

One of our finest players that season. Made a few appearances the following season if I recall correctly. Truly the embodiment of value for money in the market.

[Eli Manning]

Who's saying Gotze, Martinez etc. would want to play here?

Rafael and Valencia on the right and moving Rooney back up as a striker should be where we build next year.

If Berbabtov is gone I think we'll go in for a new striker. But I don't see where the money comes from to pump into this team what it needs; 2 CM's, a striker and a LB.

We've been really poor against the decent teams this year. City (H & A) and European games.

The team needs a leader in the middle.

[Your Airbag]

Originally Posted by Eli Manning

Who's saying Gotze, Martinez etc. would want to play here?

Or that they are even on Fergies radar. All these CM's getting mentioned in the press and I have the sinking feeling Fergie has no intention of buying any of them.

The Journalists are making suggestions and Fergie is probably not even monitoring said player.

[shadowcomplex]

Assuming City beat Newcastle on sunday are there any tactics united could use to try and maxmise there goals outlay v swansea?



How about this

---------------de gea------------------

Valencia---Smalling----Rio--------Evra

----------Scholes--Rooney--------

Nani------------------------------Young

-----------Chico---Berba/Welbeck

[Blatter]

Lol, we'll need some balance in midfield, Carrick has so play and it would be silly to take our biggest goal scoring threat and push him deep into midfield.

Also, we can forget about winning the title on goal difference. Swansea haven't be hammered many times at all this season and aren't just going to roll over, we'd be lucky to get a 2/3 goal win. Personally I'd take any win.

We are highly unlikely to hammer Sunderland as well, they've barely lost a game at home in 2012.

All we can do is take 6 points from our games and hope for the best.

[Orando Broom]

Originally Posted by kryogen

Goetze in a 2 man midfield would not work, that would be obvious to anybody who watched him, same with Kagawa for that matter

Seriously? So were United to sign either they'd be a bust???

I've seen little of either player to be able to say whether they are limited in the number of systems they can play in.

So that pretty much rules out a raft of players as it is unlikely that Ferguson would stray too far from 4-4-2. Or would he? Is that the grand plan in your estimation?

[Mikeyt086]

----------De Gea

-Rafael - Rio - Evans - Evra

Valencia-Scholes-Carrick-Nani

-----Rooney-Chicharito

Smalling for Evans if he cant make it, Chicharito in for the injured Welbeck, he scored in the Liberty Stadium aswell. No bull****.

[mark renton]

LMAO - this thread has become fcukin hillarious, made up of the deluded trying to pick a team to score 14 goals in 2 games and the confused trying to work out where it all went wrong - MODS can we please sticky this ?????

[killwill]

Originally Posted by shadowcomplex

Assuming City beat Newcastle on sunday are there any tactics united could use to try and maxmise there goals outlay v swansea?



How about this

---------------de gea------------------

Valencia---Smalling----Rio--------Evra

----------Scholes--Rooney--------

Nani------------------------------Young

-----------Chico---Berba/Welbeck

-----------DDG------------
-Raf----Evans---Rio---evra-
----Carrick-----Scholes----
Valencia--Young--Nani---
---------Rooney----------

Never gonna happen anyways

[Orando Broom]

Originally Posted by Pro. F

Just the occasional kick-about these days. Since even the professionals are clueless more often than not, your word won't hold any more weight if you play more.



You are completely wrong and being totally unfair to Rooney. I watched the game back just now (only the bits involving Rooney) to check that my impression of the game was correct and here is what happened:

He showed for and laid the ball off successfully 26 times. (This also includes one winning a of free kick and one decent cross that just didn't connect - those two were worth including imo, but you can leave them out if you want.) So that is a lot more than the zero times you are ridiculously trying to claim. 14 of those times he did it while under close pressure from an opposition player and 12 of those times he linked up after receiving a pass in some space. This space he had to work very hard to find for the majority of the game, until Welbeck came on at the hour mark and Rooney could drop deeper. Rooney's running off the ball to find the gaps between the defenders while he was the furthest forward was excellent and, unsurprisingly, he wore himself out doing it.

He made seven straightforward mistakes (misplaced passes etc): in the 45th, 52nd, 54th, 57th, 71st, 86th and 89th minutes. Fatigue was clearly a factor in the later ones and tbh I'm being very harsh calling the first three straightforward mistakes.

He got his pocket picked cleanly three times and lost the ball while fighting for it four times. None of it was particularly bad play on Rooney's part and it was absolutely nothing like the fecklessness that you are saying it was.

Yes there were three times where he didn't compete properly for the ball in the air, but there were also five other times when he did. He is not a good target man and playing long balls to him is a bad plan anyway. He did fine for his size.

And you are still ignoring the fact that he was going up against the two centre backs and whichever fullbacks and central midfielders were around when United broke forward. The defenders don't have to be in contact to be causing the striker problems, they can cut off his options and box him in which is just as important.

With regard to the FBs, Rooney moved into the channel between them and the CBs a lot while he was up front and so gave them lots of work to do when United broke forward. The fact that the City fullbacks did a lot of getting forward is because United ceded/lost so much ground in the midfield and let City come onto them, you can't blame Rooney for that. He still gave them plenty of defending to do when the ball came his way; it is impressive when you consider how isolated he was. The fact that the FBs didn't make many tackles does not mean that they didn't have to get into position to cover what Rooney was doing and take away his options.

I know Rooney has played poorly at times recently, but this type of criticism for last nights game is nonsense. I've seen it before. United play completely defensively and attack in dribs and drabs and people complain when Rooney doesn't win the game single handedly. They ignore the fact that he is physically unsuited to that role and still works his balls off and deals as best as he can with the long balls, while finding space and linking up the play excellently. They see him tiring and playing a few bad passes and suddenly he's supposed to be a part of the problem. It's not his fault that it didn't work out last night, it's Ferguson's for not supporting him properly.


You're some man for giving the orders.

Good post I doff my cap to your fastidious defence of Rooney! That is genuinely an exceptional riposte and I stand corrected on the facts.

Now isn't easier* to debate with facts and points as opposed to e-strutting around like a little banter cock calling people retarded.


*maybe not easier seeing as you had to watch that ****e again but you get the drift.