[HigginsJ]

Good news Giants fans:

Jaguars sign CB Aaron Ross (3 years, $15.3 million):

[adrian522]

He is still the best Free Agent QB out there and I think you are being a bit harsh on his performances last year.

Do you have a link to the article that compares him to Moore? I'd certainly take Smith over Moore, Smith was a bit overly conservative at times this year but he was far from awful and made some good plays at crucial times during the season.

[HigginsJ]

Originally Posted by adrian522

He is still the best Free Agent QB out there and I think you are being a bit harsh on his performances last year.

Do you have a link to the article that compares him to Moore? I'd certainly take Smith over Moore, Smith was a bit overly conservative at times this year but he was far from awful and made some good plays at crucial times during the season.

The last 5 minutes of the Saints game was the only time Smith seemed to come out of his shell any time i saw him this season and he was magnificent. But he was back to his conservative best against the Giants. If Manningham is back to his best Smith will have a very very good wideout to go with Davis. Its not Smiths fault that Crabtree it a bust and Morgan got hurt.

[NTMK]

Originally Posted by adrian522

He is still the best Free Agent QB out there and I think you are being a bit harsh on his performances last year.

Do you have a link to the article that compares him to Moore? I'd certainly take Smith over Moore, Smith was a bit overly conservative at times this year but he was far from awful and made some good plays at crucial times during the season.

+1 it wasnt smith that lost the game against the giants he was very consistent last year improved alot

My only problem is when he tries to force the ball (i.e OT vs the giants) but if he re-joins the team he will have a better set of receivers than last season

I hope the 9ers re-sign him he's the best FA QB left

[Danger_dave1]

Originally Posted by adrian522

He is still the best Free Agent QB out there and I think you are being a bit harsh on his performances last year.

Do you have a link to the article that compares him to Moore? I'd certainly take Smith over Moore, Smith was a bit overly conservative at times this year but he was far from awful and made some good plays at crucial times during the season.

Player Cmp% Yds/Att TD% INT% Sack%
Moore 60.5% 7.2 4.6% 2.6% 9.4%
Smith 61.3% 7.1 3.8% 1.1% 9.0%



Smith 445 attempts 273 completions at 61.3% . 3,144 yards. 17TD's 5 INT's. yards per game 197

Compared to Moore ( Who didnt start the first 4 games) 347 attempts 210 completions at 60.5% 2497 yards. 16 TD's 9 INT's. Yard per game 192 yards.

Would Moore have helped the 49ers to the NFC Conference game ? With those stat's more than likely. Now add in the fact that the dolphins played the Jets and the Patriots twice in the year. While the 49ers got to feast on the NFC West.

The dolphins should not pull the trigger on a big deal for Smith because he's simply not worth it. If the 49ers keep him and i believe they will i think a combination of a higher interceptions rate and the defense not being able to stay as healthy as they did in 2011 will result in the 49ers defense having to defend shorter fields and there record will come down to around 10-6.

[adrian522]

Originally Posted by HigginsJ

The last 5 minutes of the Saints game was the only time Smith seemed to come out of his shell any time i saw him this season and he was magnificent. But he was back to his conservative best against the Giants. If Manningham is back to his best Smith will have a very very good wideout to go with Davis. Its not Smiths fault that Crabtree it a bust and Morgan got hurt.

I understand what you are saying but a lot of the problems against the Giants and throughout the season were to do with the play calling from the sideline and not necessarily the execution of the QB.

Interestingly for the 2 late TD drives against the Saints the plays were called by the QB coach rather than Greg Roman (OC). I'm not sure if that was relevant or not.

From the regular season you could look to the games against the Lions, against the Eagles, or against the Seahawks on Christmas eve for games where he came through with the game on the line.

He wasn't brilliant by any stretch but he did perform very well in 2011 in my opinion.

[adrian522]

Originally Posted by Danger_dave1

Player Cmp% Yds/Att TD% INT% Sack%
Moore 60.5% 7.2 4.6% 2.6% 9.4%
Smith 61.3% 7.1 3.8% 1.1% 9.0%



Smith 445 attempts 273 completions at 61.3% . 3,144 yards. 17TD's 5 INT's. yards per game 197

Compared to Moore ( Who didnt start the first 4 games) 347 attempts 210 completions at 60.5% 2497 yards. 16 TD's 9 INT's. Yard per game 192 yards.

Would Moore have helped the 49ers to the NFC Conference game ? With those stat's more than likely. Now add in the fact that the dolphins played the Jets and the Patriots twice in the year. While the 49ers got to feast on the NFC West.

The dolphins should not pull the trigger on a big deal for Smith because he's simply not worth it. If the 49ers keep him and i believe they will i think a combination of a higher interceptions rate and the defense not being able to stay as healthy as they did in 2011 will result in the 49ers defense having to defend shorter fields and there record will come down to around 10-6.

Well by those stats he threw less TD's, more picks and had a lower completion % so it's probable he wouldn't have done as well as Alex. Do you know how many 4th Quarter comebacks he had?

Also what are you basing the higher interceptions next year on? I expect him to improve further with a full off season with these coaches for the first time plus a better receiving corps.

[matthew8]

Smith wasn't throwing to Marshall, wasn't protected by Long, and was playing some of the best defenses in the league (Seahawks x2 very tough, Cardinals x2 now a good defense, afc north all very good defenders). I think he had a very solid year.

[Danger_dave1]

Originally Posted by adrian522

Also what are you basing the higher interceptions next year on? I expect him to improve further with a full off season with these coaches for the first time plus a better receiving corps.

You expect to see him throw less than 5 interceptions next season ? When hes going to be asked to throw more with his new weapons?

IN 2010 Josh Freeman, Michael Vick and Tom Brady had unbelievable low interception rates. Guess what happened to there interception %'s in 2011 they went back up to the average or higher in Freemans case but that was down to a franchise giving up after 5 games. (Ill look through the stats for them but im playing xbox right now so cant be bothered )

Smith will not improve. Look he was brutal before this season, This season he was given a very basic playbook and wasn't being forced to throw. He was above average in a team that had an excellent run game a dominant defense and phenomenal special teams for most of the year.

How many field goals did David Akers have to kick after the offense could convert third and 5 upwards? Answer a massive amount.

[Danger_dave1]

Originally Posted by adrian522

Well by those stats he threw less TD's, more picks and had a lower completion % so it's probable he wouldn't have done as well as Alex.

I'm not saying that his stats were not better. But there very close in comparison and if you put Moore into that team you dont think he'd improve upon his stats than what he did with the dolphins ?

[spiralism]

Originally Posted by Danger_dave1

You expect to see him throw less than 5 interceptions next season ? When hes going to be asked to throw more with his new weapons?

IN 2010 Josh Freeman, Michael Vick and Tom Brady had unbelievable low interception rates. Guess what happened to there interception %'s in 2011 they went back up to the average or higher in Freemans case but that was down to a franchise giving up after 5 games. (Ill look through the stats for them but im playing xbox right now so cant be bothered )

Smith will not improve. Look he was brutal before this season, This season he was given a very basic playbook and wasn't being forced to throw. He was above average in a team that had an excellent run game a dominant defense and phenomenal special teams for most of the year.

How many field goals did David Akers have to kick after the offense could convert third and 5 upwards? Answer a massive amount.

Interesting you should say that. Anyone here ever read coldhardfootballfacts.com? They had an article last year about QBs with very low turnover ratios and their following seasons. Basically what they found was that no matter how good the QB is, having that few picks is an anomaly and things will correct themselves the following year with INT numbers going way up.

The only real exception has been Aaron Rodgers(went from 7 in 09 to 11 in 2010, not too big a shift by any means) but this can be explained in that the season following those low INT numbers they merely return to their normal numbers in that category. In Rodgers's case, that's still astronomically low as he currently has the lowest turnover percentage of any QB in NFL history (min 1500 passes).

[adrian522]

Originally Posted by Danger_dave1

You expect to see him throw less than 5 interceptions next season ? When hes going to be asked to throw more with his new weapons?

Well no but I don expect him to improve as a player not necessarily throw less picks. But I don't expect his number to jump dramatically.

Originally Posted by Danger_dave1

IN 2010 Josh Freeman, Michael Vick and Tom Brady had unbelievable low interception rates. Guess what happened to there interception %'s in 2011 they went back up to the average or higher in Freemans case but that was down to a franchise giving up after 5 games. (Ill look through the stats for them but im playing xbox right now so cant be bothered )

Yeah but as I said above I'm looking for overall improvement not just in relation to interceptions. I don't think he will regress back to the amount of picks he had before 2011.

Originally Posted by Danger_dave1

Smith will not improve. Look he was brutal before this season, This season he was given a very basic playbook and wasn't being forced to throw. He was above average in a team that had an excellent run game a dominant defense and phenomenal special teams for most of the year.

I don't agree that he won't improve, especially when you give him better receivers and a full off season working with his coaches. Crabtree never showed up last year bar a handful of games towards the end of the regular season, Morgan got injured early on and they only started brining Davis into the passing game from midway through the season. I don't get how you would think he won't improve at all next year.

Originally Posted by Danger_dave1

How many field goals did David Akers have to kick after the offense could convert third and 5 upwards? Answer a massive amount.

He kicked plenty but not all of them are down to Smith not executing, as I said in a different post a lot of it was down to very conservative play calling like running on 3rd and long which they did quite a bit of. Obviously this also feeds into the low interceptions and is a product of a team that was already winning in a lot of cases and didn't feel a need to take unnecessary risks.

[nerd69]

eagles get demeco ryan from the texans and the texans 3rd rounder for the eagles 3rd and 4th rounders

[adrian522]

Looks like Alex Smith is coming back to SF...

Originally Posted by @michaellombardi

RT @nfl: The @49ers and QB Alex Smith agree to terms on a new contract, @nflnetwork's @michaelombardi reports. #freeagency

[JaMarcus Hustle]

Originally Posted by nerd69

eagles get demeco ryan from the texans and the texans 3rd rounder for the eagles 3rd and 4th rounders

Absolute bargain.