[Cass]

Originally Posted by clivej

any very good local engineering shop if you know what you need doing

Originally Posted by Alucan

............. any machine shop will do it
but ...............

Remember lads, that any gunsmith, rifle builder, etc has an RFD to allow him to posess, store the firearm while work is carried out on it. So..........;

Originally Posted by zeissman

Never leave your firearm with anyone unless they have a firearms dealers licence.

........ is the best adivce that can be given. If you leave the gun with someone in a machine shop/engineering shop, etc. and they don't have an RFD license then both of ye are in the s**t.

I'm not 100% on how ye stand on being present while the work is done. Yes you are covered because as the licensed owner of the firearm it is in your possession, but the law makes it clear all work to be carried out by a compentent RFD. I'll make further inquiries about this, but ALWAYS air on the side of caution.

Go to an RFD, and know you are 100% covered, insured, guaranteed.

[cushcam]

Originally Posted by jagged

Anybody???!!!

i'd imagine gerry gearon in clonmel could do it

(052)6138164

[Alucan]

Originally Posted by rowa

Yeah, and he could just as easily send of his buddies with balaclavas around to do a home collection, stick with getting work done by rfd's.

95% of RFDs will strip the gun and send it to a machine shop which is not a RFD to have the work carried out and if so who is responsible if something goes wrong . I am not having a go just some food for thought.

[It wasn't me!]

Well AFAIK your contract with the RFD would oblige them to carry out the work or ensure that it was carried out. If the work done was sub-par, they've failed to abide by their half of the agreement, so they're liable for it.

[Cass]

I very much doubt any RFD would knowingly or purposely send a firarm or componant part of a firearm to a NON RFD to have work carried out on it.

It would land both parties in alot of trouble, and the RFd could kiss his/her RFD license goodbye. Then the shop taking in the parts could be charged with possession of unlicensed firearms, illegal possession of componant parts, etc.


Before you decide to come back and say "well i know X, Y, and Z that are doing this" remember there are some pretty strict rules on Boards, and very serious laws regarding (possible) defamatory remarks/statments towards named individuals. So unless you have some documented proof of such goings on (or even if you do) consider the ramifications of posting such info on a public, and open forum.

[Alucan]

Originally Posted by Ezridax

Before you decide to come back and say "well i know X, Y, and Z that are doing this" remember there are some pretty strict rules on Boards, and very serious laws regarding (possible) defamatory remarks/statments towards named individuals. So unless you have some documented proof of such goings on (or even if you do) consider the ramifications of posting such info on a public, and open forum.

I have no intention of naming anybody i am not looking to cause hassle for for any RFDs ,Boards or myself as i said before just some food for thought

[4200fps]

Originally Posted by davekangoo

im looking for someone to shorten the barrel on a cz17hmr and rethread it
anyone know of such a person
plus what difference does it make to accuracy

Personally I'd never would buy a rifle with a short barrel as id leave it the way the manufacture made it even tho it looks better,more compact even when a mod is on it but the down fall is the balance will be off as it be heavier on the rear,it will have greater muzzle blast,more recoil and muzzle lift,the shorter barrel also will not stabilize the bullet much at long ranges so less fps,increased bullet drop and grouping may not be as tight. There will be a louder bang/crack when fired depending on size of your round, you also will need an experienced lathe turner who knows about fire arms to put the right crown back on the rifle after its shortened but at end of day not many like buying rifles that are shortened for these reasons. Its your rifle at the end of day

[davekangoo]

i tend to agree with you

[4200fps]

Originally Posted by davekangoo

i tend to agree with you

You've nothing to worry about leaving it at factory spec lad. IMO you will be out alot money shortening it professionally also you will have them down falls but all you will gain by shortening it is mobility and that's about all. It's a good rifle you have I wouldn't ruin it

[Vegeta]

Originally Posted by 4200fps

Personally I'd never would buy a rifle with a short barrel as id leave it the way the manufacture made it

What about rifles that come from the manufacturer with short barrels?

[lefthooker]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

What about rifles that come from the manufacturer with short barrels?

CZ .22/.17 with 16" barrels are some of the best sellers for one of the local RFD's along with the odd guy who gets a his barrel shortened/threaded. I have a short(ened) barrel on my .22 and no loss of performance. No need for a long barrel on a .22
You have nothing to fear from rifle with a short barrel or from shortening a barrel so long as you get it done by one of the many highly recommended gunsmiths in the country

[4200fps]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

What about rifles that come from the manufacturer with short barrels?

Thats a differnt story,the way the manufactre designed it to be is best. They do insure its going to perform good before they put it into production. I picked up a .220 remington and a steyr .243 and the cowning didn't look great,also the rear of the rifles felt alot heavier compared to the unshortend rifle in same spec. Totaly unballanced and thats not a good thing at all. Looks good but thats about all. I told the dealer I had no interest in either as they were the first two to introduce to me as i know why-he's stuck with them not too many wants them. When i say these were short i mean 4 inchs taken off them.

[tomcat220t]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

What about rifles that come from the manufacturer with short barrels?

C/Z in .22lr ......a factory made short barrel Vs a shortened barrel from the muzzle end .......C/Z factory barrel,for me any day !
The best way to shorten a .22lr barrel is from the chamber ,imo!

[4200fps]

Originally Posted by lefthooker

CZ .22/.17 with 16" barrels are some of the best sellers for one of the local RFD's along with the odd guy who gets a his barrel shortened/threaded. I have a short(ened) barrel on my .22 and no loss of performance. No need for a long barrel on a .22
You have nothing to fear from rifle with a short barrel or from shortening a barrel so long as you get it done by one of the many highly recommended gunsmiths in the country

You will feel it on the pocket getting it done right, he will have to recrown it properly which is a job you wont know if its 100% by looking at it also he may have to rethread it if you've a mod. Well on a .22 I doubt anybody will notice a difference but shorten any rifle from .204 and greater you will see it down range. Grouping wont be as good also bullet drop may be up to and inch greater . Less rifleing on a barrel cant be good as it may not stabilize the round as great after 250 yards. I dont think theres any performance factors by shortening a rifle barrel outside factory spec IMO. I think its silly shortening them,it may also decrease value of your rifle. If you hear the crack out of a swift with a shortend barrel it would burst your ear drum and they are savage loud as it is with standard length barrel. You will end up having greater muzzle flip and flash and nobody wants that at all

[rowa]

On a .22lr the barrel doesn't gain anything by being longer then 10-12 inches , the propellant has expanded as much as its going to in that time , in fact shortening the barrel may increase the velocity as the bullet suffers from drag on the inside of the barrel for the remainder of its travel. Also its the rate of the rifling that determines the stability , not the amount of it. After all i've seen .22 pistols with short barrels (3.5"-6") that were very accurate out to 50 yards.

Anschutz make a range of rimfire short barrel sporters.