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01-03-2012, 23:08   #31
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Note: from the Installer on Ear to the ground

I am a qualified fitter by trade, have a Fetac Advanced Certificate with merit,
in what ?
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01-03-2012, 23:15   #32
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I also heard that the independant filmcrew were told that you were a member of one of the 3 recognised bodies,

P.S. have you got any sky cards going ?
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Door to Door should be banned.
agree watty but many are desperate.


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[*]It makes crime easier (Distraction Theft)[*]It exploits the Door to Door salespeople. They do it a short while and give up as you have to lie to make the sales to get adequate commission. Huge turn-over in "staff". The sales per person on average simply isn't there to pay a sensible salary, so they always offer attractive sounding commission.
[*]It exploits the vulnerable. Less vulnerable people will rarely ever buy off a Door to Door person.
agree with all of that but pity the honest people trying to earn a crust.



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Direct phone selling should be illegal too
i don't know if direct phone selling is illegal but at least with Eircom(don't know other providers rules) by ringing 1901 you can have yourself removed from cold calling.
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it's only bloody Irish tv,which for the most part is rubbish no matter how good the picture is.
Is it really zerks?surprising that the ratings do not show that so

terrible video full of flaws as people have pointed out.

i have in the past got annoyed at the assumption that old people are too out of touch to understand or embrace saorview,seems some people of all ages are prone to it though.

i wonder is it too late now for RTE/nl to educate community groups,meals on wheels etc to carry around a saorview box to check out peoples aerials and tell them if they will need a new aerial or not?

even being able to tell them that if they have a good picture from their UHF aerial should be enough to stop them being fooled by any cowboys and reassure them that they will only need a new box for ASO.

is that too sensible too for those responsible for educating the mass's about something that is quite easy to understand?
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Why didn't you use the relevant health and safety equipment required for working at heights?
How does one become 'more than qualified to install aerials'? That sounds to me as if you think aerial riggers are somehow below your standards. Can I point out that an experienced aerial rigger would never have appeared on the show without the health and safety equipment required, you had none of these, fall arrest kit, safety helmet, eye protection, ear protection, you were missing the basics required by law for your profession but you say you are more than qualified. The requirements for me, a lowly aerial installer, also apply to you who is more than qualified. You can have as much insurance as you want but any insurance company will look for reasons not to pay out if you had an accident and had you fallen from the ladder in those circumstances they would not have paid a single cent.

The way you went about your job on the show was an insult to installers who are knowledgeable about all aspects of their job, not just the aspects of fitting an aerial. There is a lot more to our job than you seem to realise.

I'd also ask as scaller did, why have you got saorview logos on your website when it is not permitted for an installer to use them? Are you not also aware that part of your job is to be aware of the codes of practice regarding logo usage? Or do you feel that being 'more than qualified' makes you exempt from this too?
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agree watty but many are desperate.



agree with all of that but pity the honest people trying to earn a crust.




i don't know if direct phone selling is illegal but at least with Eircom(don't know other providers rules) by ringing 1901 you can have yourself removed from cold calling.
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Is it really zerks?surprising that the ratings do not show that so

terrible video full of flaws as people have pointed out.

i have in the past got annoyed at the assumption that old people are too out of touch to understand or embrace saorview,seems some people of all ages are prone to it though.

i wonder is it too late now for RTE/nl to educate community groups,meals on wheels etc to carry around a saorview box to check out peoples aerials and tell them if they will need a new aerial or not?

even being able to tell them that if they have a good picture from their UHF aerial should be enough to stop them being fooled by any cowboys and reassure them that they will only need a new box for ASO.

is that too sensible too for those responsible for educating the mass's about something that is quite easy to understand?
RTE have a fool proof plan Timesnap, they've told the GAA all about Saorview, everything will be just fine now that football and hurling players are going installing Saorview
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02-03-2012, 00:03   #36
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RTE have a fool proof plan Timesnap, they've told the GAA all about Saorview, everything will be just fine now that football and hurling players are going installing Saorview
Ye gads sure most of them cannot direct a ball between two wide bars or kick a small ball into a hugh net,how on earth could they point an aerial at a mountain?
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02-03-2012, 00:46   #37
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What id like to know is why you have the saorview logo on your website and the saorview name on your van. when RTE/saorview says that installers are not permitted to do this.
Do you know If you were a registered/recognised installer with any of the 3 trade bodies you would have permission to use a combined logo.

http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-switch/installers/


I will have to Edit my post now to say What id like to know is why DID you have the saorview logo on your website up till 11pm tonight and now its been removed.
Still has the RTE channel logos though, I was told by Saorview that they are copyright of RTE and we installers cant use them either.
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Still has the RTE channel logos though, I was told by Saorview that they are copyright of RTE and we installers cant use them either.
RTE/Saorview Should contact this company and ask them to remove the RTE channels logos from their map of Installers site. http://www.saortvinstallers.ie/index.html

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RTE/Saorview Should contact this company and ask them to remove the RTE channels logos from their map of Installers site.
I think it would be better if RTE Saorview admitted that they are unable to police their logo and allow all installers to use their logo, at least that way we who are playing by the rules could advertise our services properly, the limitations on us regarding the use of the saorview logo is making it impossible to compete with those who are not following the terms and conditions of logo use. It would then be up to the customer to choose if they want an installer who is registered or one who is not. By giving us a level playing field we could compete for business properly and fairly instead of being wiped out by those who are doing whatever they want and getting away with it so easily.
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Quote From the installer on Ear To The Ground

I didn't forget the cable! this piece was shot to show people that it wasn't a big deal to have an aerial mounted on their house.

it was used as a demonstration ! and not as an installers training Video !

The aerial and bracket were removed from the house, as were the 3 existing aerials!! and the house holder was left with a new aerial on a loft bracket in his attic! and saorview working on his 4 tv's without the need to run any cables around his house ! The house holder agreed to let me put an aerial and bracket on the wall of his house,for the demonstration as requested by the film crew.
A demonstration of how not to do it! Any oul gob****e can hang out of a ladder & throw up an aerial.Your "demonstration" showed unsuspecting people that it appears to be okay to climb a ladder without any regard to health & safety just hang your hammer & bracket on the ladder while climbing up drill with no safety glasses ,hard hat or mask. Sure if your insured it doesn't matter,famous last words.
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Your "demonstration" showed unsuspecting people that it appears to be okay to climb a ladder without any regard to health & safety just hang your hammer & bracket on the ladder while climbing up drill with no safety glasses ,hard hat or mask.
I'm not sure many installers would use a hard hat, goggles and mask to climb 8 or 9 steps of a ladder to drill 4 holes in a wall. Seems like a bit of overkill to me.
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I'm not sure many installers would use a hard hat, goggles and mask to climb 8 or 9 steps of a ladder to drill 4 holes in a wall. Seems like a bit of overkill to me.
on public Television in a HSA sponsered program ?

from the HSA

http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Publications_a...tion_Sheet.pdf

http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Publications_a..._at_Height.pdf

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A show that's sponsored by the HSA, And RTE use a Unregistered installer who is/was using the Saorview and RTE channel logos on his website and in this show he has no safety gear at all on him. How could this guy attempt to drill holes in masonry with out Eye protection. Or how could he attempt to climb a ladder without having first secured the ladder. No hard hat or steel toe capped boots on him either.

Saorview wants to work with the local installer

Yeah Right

Well Saorview its 11 months later

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In fairness, the guy in Irwin's made the point (though many people may have a different type of UHF aerial to the one he showed).
that point was made. The point was made simply too - ie. if you have a UHF aerial, then you didn't need a new aerial.

It wasn't supposed to be an education lesson on aerials and rogue installers. The putting up of an aerial also did a good job in simply relaying what an installer should be putting up.

How was the point simply made? Michael Irwin has one aerial in each hand, a "old VHF style aerial" and a "new UHF style aerial" and states clearly that if you look up at your chimney, and see this old VHF style aerial, you need to call out your local TV installer, and he'll install the new UHF style aerial.

Is this not utter nonsense? What has a VHF aerial got to do with anything???? Is this type of aerial not for VHF FM radio? Are all transmitters not using UHF for TV channels?
What am I missing here?

He goes on to suggest that if your remote says "DTV", then the TV should be ok to receive Saorview.
Very, very few remote controls say "DTV", and a more likely reference on the remote would be "Guide" or "EPG". Even if it does say any of these, it's possibly only an MPEG2 tuner.

And how utterly stupid to illustrate the installation of a new aerial, with a chimney full of aerial's in the background....
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A show that's sponsored by the HSA, And RTE use a Unregistered installer in the show who has no safety gear at all on him. How could this guy attempt to drill holes in Masonry with out Eye protection. Or how could he attempt to climb a ladder without having first secured the ladder. No hard hat or steel toe capped boots either.
I've spent years in construction and you can't piss now for some kind of HSA regulation,the basic gear and safe practice were ignored in the segment,also this show is aimed at farmers where H & S is a big thing with the amount of accidents in the agricultural sector.The least the installer could have done was wear the right gear for the job just to show a good example.

This guy was a H & S instructor and didn't use the proper gear on camera......look what happened.

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