[Extinction]

Originally Posted by cast_iron

Where do they say this? I keep asking for proof of these claims but no one is coming up with it.

It says so at the bottom of this page

http://www.saorview.ie/trade-login/installers/

The logo is only permitted for use by registered retailers

[mike65]

That feature could be more condescending if they tried hard enough!

[Extinction]

Originally Posted by Extinction

It says so at the bottom of this page

http://www.saorview.ie/trade-login/installers/

The logo is only permitted for use by registered retailers

The logo is also only permitted to be used by retailers at the point of sale, newspaper ads, flyers and NON ecommerce sites are advertising, they aren't point of sale.

[cast_iron]

Originally Posted by scaller

A representative of saorview said here on this post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...&postcount=412

Well that's 2 days ago and the first I've seen in what seems to be a change of policy. Their website still states otherwise.

[cast_iron]

Originally Posted by Extinction

The logo is also only permitted to be used by retailers at the point of sale, newspaper ads, flyers and NON ecommerce sites are advertising, they aren't point of sale.

Agreed. It does indeed seem that the installer on the tv is misusing the logo.

[limerick.]

Perhaps they should have got a more qualified installer, i know lot's of installers in waterford
who are far more competant and would his insurance even cover him if he is not complying with the health and safety rules if he even has any. I dont think id let him near my house.

[zerks]

With regard to the existing aerials on the roof,could they not have used that to explain to people that they might not need a new aerial,the guy in Irwins mentioned it so why didn't they clarify what they were doing and give examples of using existing equipment and show what might be needed by explaining that's what the new aerial install was.Now anyone who watched that would be led to believe that they need to fork out for stuff they may not need while they may already have perfectly good usable aerials up already.

The cowboys love this lack of knowledge and muddying of the waters, "sorry ma'm that aerial you have isn't a digital aerial,we'll put up a nice new one & it'll improve the picture no end.You want a receipt?? Sorry I left the receipt book in the office,sure I'll drop it out to you..ye right

[cast_iron]

Originally Posted by zerks

With regard to the existing aerials on the roof,could they not have used that to explain to people that they might not need a new aerial,the guy in Irwins mentioned it so why didn't they clarify what they were doing and give examples of using existing equipment and show what might be needed by explaining that's what the new aerial install was.

In fairness, the guy in Irwin's made the point (though many people may have a different type of UHF aerial to the one he showed).
that point was made. The point was made simply too - ie. if you have a UHF aerial, then you didn't need a new aerial.

It wasn't supposed to be an education lesson on aerials and rogue installers. The putting up of an aerial also did a good job in simply relaying what an installer should be putting up.

[zg3409]

I think the message they should be getting across is, borrow a box, plug it in and see if it works, if not ring an approved installer.

The whole big aerial, small aerial, look at the coverage map, is too much for joe soap. If you get TV through your aerial, try the box and it'll probably work fine.

If your TV is over 10 years old then it's probably better value to buy a new TV.

Visually it's fine to see a guy putting up an aerial, but they should be teaching people how to try a box, before calling in the man with a van.

[zerks]

Originally Posted by zg3409

I think the message they should be getting across is, borrow a box, plug it in and see if it works, if not ring an approved installer.

The whole big aerial, small aerial, look at the coverage map, is too much for joe soap. If you get TV through your aerial, try the box and it'll probably work fine.

If your TV is over 10 years old then it's probably better value to buy a new TV.

Visually it's fine to see a guy putting up an aerial, but they should be teaching people how to try a box, before calling in the man with a van.

True,I got castigated for suggesting that before to a poster who had a query about saorview.Try it & see as you said,if you get no joy call an expert.

The try it & see message has been posted by many in the satellite forum,what make saorview so special? It's as if it's the second coming-it's only bloody Irish tv,which for the most part is rubbish no matter how good the picture is.I have saorview up & running on my tv but only ever use it for HD sport on RTE 2...Rant over.

For all the answers the segment on the show gave,it created many more questions.Some decent,well thought out infomercials would be better,look at the ones on UK tv,it makes the whole thing look like childs play.Over here we get 2 animals telling us saorview is on the way and to refer to the website which many won't or can't do.

[Sam Russell]

Originally Posted by zerks

For all the answers the segment on the show gave,it created many more questions.Some decent,well thought out infomercials would be better,look at the ones on UK tv,it makes the whole thing look like childs play.Over here we get 2 animals telling us saorview is on the way and to refer to the website which many won't or can't do.

One of the Saorview animals does not even know how to operate a pair of binoculars, so they have no chance. They have tried to get a brand-name accross and the message that 'Saorview Approved' is the only way to go.

A simple message broadcast from the transmitters embedded in the signal 'This transmitter is turning off on 24th Oct, 2012. You will [not] get Saorview from this transmitter.] Variations on that theme, as appropriate, would work quickly and effectively.

They even run the Saorview ad on RTE News Now - preaching to the converted.

[damo42]

Originally Posted by limerick.

Perhaps they should have got a more qualified installer, i know lot's of installers in waterford
who are far more competant and would his insurance even cover him if he is not complying with the health and safety rules if he even has any. I dont think id let him near my house.

Note: from the Installer on Ear to the ground

I am a qualified fitter by trade, have a Fetac Advanced Certificate with merit,
Served my time with a large multi-national company and have craftspersons status and am more than qualified to install aerials.

This is a qualification that has been achieved by time served and not by money spent !

And yes i do have insurance !

Have in fact a combined liability policy,
Public Liability
Product Liability
Employers Liability

[damo42]

Originally Posted by PogMoThoin

He also forgot to cable to the antenna

I noticed the Triax 537 combo beside the Saorview logo in Irwins store

Quote From the installer on Ear To The Ground

I didn't forget the cable! this piece was shot to show people that it wasn't a big deal to have an aerial mounted on their house.

it was used as a demonstration ! and not as an installers training Video !

The aerial and bracket were removed from the house, as were the 3 existing aerials!! and the house holder was left with a new aerial on a loft bracket in his attic! and saorview working on his 4 tv's without the need to run any cables around his house ! The house holder agreed to let me put an aerial and bracket on the wall of his house,for the demonstration as requested by the film crew.

[Extinction]

Originally Posted by damo42

Note: from the Installer on Ear to the ground

I am a qualified fitter by trade, have a Fetac Advanced Certificate with merit,
Served my time with a large multi-national company and have craftspersons status and am more than qualified to install aerials.

This is a qualification that has been achieved by time served and not by money spent !

And yes i do have insurance !

Have in fact a combined liability policy,
Public Liability
Product Liability
Employers Liability

Why didn't you use the relevant health and safety equipment required for working at heights?

[Navarre]

What id like to know is why you have the saorview logo on your website and the saorview name on your van. when RTE/saorview says that installers are not permitted to do this.
Do you know If you were a registered/recognised installer with any of the 3 trade bodies you would have permission to use a combined logo.

http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-switch/installers/


I will have to Edit my post now to say What id like to know is why DID you have the saorview logo on your website up till 11pm tonight and now its been removed.