[200yrolecrank]

[Quote=andreac;77328836]

Originally Posted by 200yrolecrank

Whats the difference between a terrier and a french bulldog,just their looks..[/QUOTE]

You really havent a clue....

Actually I have kept dogs for years,I have one pure bread and a crossed k9.
They both sit,heal and stay at a command,they both provide equal affection,loyalty and obedience.
They both look great which is trivial really as it should not matter how the dog looks if they have the listed characteristics.
I didn't pay big money for either as I never see the need to pay such money for a dog or a cat or a lizard as really who sets this sealing.
The price is only determined by how much you are willing to pay for a commodity and unfortunately dogs like a French bulldog are bread like a commodity solely on their monetary value thus dogs if less status or rarity are over looked but can display equal characteristics as they are all just dogs.

[Hellrazer]

[QUOTE=200yrolecrank;77329943]

Originally Posted by andreac

Actually I have kept dogs for years,I have one pure bread and a crossed k9.
They both sit,heal and stay at a command,they both provide equal affection,loyalty and obedience.
They both look great which is trivial really as it should not matter how the dog looks if they have the listed characteristics.
I didn't pay big money for either as I never see the need to pay such money for a dog or a cat or a lizard as really who sets this sealing.
The price is only determined by how much you are willing to pay for a commodity and unfortunately dogs like a French bulldog are bread like a commodity solely on their monetary value thus dogs if less status or rarity are over looked but can display equal characteristics as they are all just dogs.

Youve already been warned twice--Consider this a final warning--Drop this agenda or Im giving you a break from the forum.The OP wants a french bulldog not a lecture to get a rescue dog

[200yrolecrank]

[Quote=Hellrazer;77330010]

Originally Posted by 200yrolecrank

Youve already been warned twice--Consider this a final warning--Drop this agenda or Im giving you a break from the forum.The OP wants a french bulldog not a lecture to get a rescue dog

Helleazer point taken but I am not trying to push a rescue.
I am entitled to defend a remark made by andreac given that this is an open forum.

[andreac]

[QUOTE=200yrolecrank;77329943]

Originally Posted by andreac

Actually I have kept dogs for years,I have one pure bread and a crossed k9.
They both sit,heal and stay at a command,they both provide equal affection,loyalty and obedience.
They both look great which is trivial really as it should not matter how the dog looks if they have the listed characteristics.
I didn't pay big money for either as I never see the need to pay such money for a dog or a cat or a lizard as really who sets this sealing.
The price is only determined by how much you are willing to pay for a commodity and unfortunately dogs like a French bulldog are bread like a commodity solely on their monetary value thus dogs if less status or rarity are over looked but can display equal characteristics as they are all just dogs.

[QUOTE=200yrolecrank;77311675]Whats the difference between a terrier and a french bulldog,just their looks..[/
You really havent a clue....


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Do you know anything about Frenchies or dogs for that matter? Obviously not if you mention "bread" and "heal" in the same sentence with the word dog

Frenchies are costly to breed as a lot of the time they cannot whelp naturally so they have to have c-sections so its costly for them to breed a litter, hence the high price. They arent a common breed so again, the price is usually higher.


All dogs differ as every breed is different, whether its in looks, type, temperament etc. So if someone wants a boxer or a labrador are you going to say the same to them??
Not everyone wants a cross breed or a rescue, some people like breeds, so what the problem if they cost money? I own rottweilers and have always wanted one, does that mean its bad because ive paid money for them, i dont think so.
Same can be said for anything you pay for, you can get cheap and expensive things, it up to the individual what they spend their money on.

[borderlinemeath]

[QUOTE=200yrolecrank;77329943]

Originally Posted by andreac

Actually I have kept dogs for years,I have one pure bread and a crossed k9.
They both sit,heal and stay at a command,they both provide equal affection,loyalty and obedience.
They both look great which is trivial really as it should not matter how the dog looks if they have the listed characteristics.
I didn't pay big money for either as I never see the need to pay such money for a dog or a cat or a lizard as really who sets this sealing.
The price is only determined by how much you are willing to pay for a commodity and unfortunately dogs like a French bulldog are bread like a commodity solely on their monetary value thus dogs if less status or rarity are over looked but can display equal characteristics as they are all just dogs.

The reasons that frenchies are so expensive is because the majority of births are c-section and surgical intervention costs money. Even if they aren't sectioned, veterinary observation is critical due the risks involved due to the size of their heads in comparison to other breeds. Also litters are fairly small so of course this impacts on the price you pay and a good breeder won't breed as often either.

Some people love certain breeds of dogs due to the inherited characteristics of the breed, some people don't care if they have a mutt or a pure breed. But the OP is looking for help with a certain breed and somehow you have managed to turn the thread into a pure breed v mongrel debate!

OP, I have friends in the same position as yourself, they really want a frenchie but are still on the fence, not for the money aspect but because of the risks involved for the bitch. The facts are that at least 80% of frenchies are born by c-section and the risks involved for the bitch having to undergo an anesthetic just to reproduce doesn't sit well with them. I kind of agree, while I don't like the idea of surgery for anything other than emergencies, I wouldn't like to see the breed disappear into extinction, rather a breeding programme be established that would better the health and work against what kennel clubs consider "breed standard" - ie have a face so flat that it affects their breathing and a skull so rotund it prevents a natural birth.

[borderlinemeath]

Snap with AndreaC, cross posted.

[adrenalinjunkie]

Originally Posted by 200yrolecrank

The price is only determined by how much you are willing to pay for a commodity and unfortunately dogs like a French bulldog are bread like a commodity solely on their monetary value thus dogs if less status or rarity are over looked but can display equal characteristics as they are all just dogs.

I'll answer this for you, seeing as it is obscurely relevant to the thread and will probably be of help to the OP - French bulldogs are a rare breed. The price reflects the level of care and costs involved in ensuring the parents are suitable to breed from. This includes heart testing, eye testing, breathing testing, hearing testing, spine x-rays and hip-scoring and in a lot of cases an on call vet around whelping time. Because the gene-pool is small it's often necessary to import dogs from Europe to ensure genetic diversity within the breed. If you care to educate yourself you can read about it here.

OP, I know of a breeder who currently has a show quality pup for sale, they are located in Northern Ireland but the advantage of this is that they are part of the UK kennel clubs accredited breeder scheme, I can send you a link to their site if you wish. If your not interested in showing it would still be worth your while contacting them about future pet quality puppies.

[Whispered]

Some people see a dog as a dog as opposed to a breed. If I wanted another dog I know that I want something medium energy, medium sized and a breed not know for any major health complaints. Beyond that I wouldn't care. I'd probably contact a rescue, tell them my needs and what type of home I can offer and let them suggest. I honestly think that is what they meant by saying there is no difference. I would say that if I wanted a "lab type" then asking if I'd consider a boxer would be reasonable enough. It doesn't mean I don't have a clue, It's just another way to choose a dog as opposed to wanting a certain breed and nothing else.

[adrenalinjunkie]

Originally Posted by Whispered

Some people see a dog as a dog as opposed to a breed.

The OP is not one of them.

[Whispered]

Originally Posted by adrenalinjunkie

The OP is not one of them.

I understand that AJ but making out someone is stupid because they don't view dogs and dog breeds in the same way as you do yourself is a bit unfair don't you think. Off topic of course, but not stupid.

[200yrolecrank]

Andreac you really are being pedantic,I am typing this from my phone in the middle of a lunch break after a hectic morning,excuse my spelling although I am sure you will do your best to find fault with whatever I have to see in this thread as it runs against your opinion or agenda I suspect.
I will simplify my point for you,why pay so much for a dog that is not necessary.
Aj I am not trying to derail this thread but rather find that anything I say has been taken to heart by some posters yourself included leading towards an unfair bias.
I have every right to exercise my right to defend my position if a poster makes a jibe at me,I am not being critical of the op just giving an opinion to them that may help or not help them choose an animal.

[andreac]

Originally Posted by 200yrolecrank

Andreac you really are being pedantic,I am typing this from my phone in the middle of a lunch break after a hectic morning,excuse my spelling although I am sure you will do your best to find fault with whatever I have to see in this thread as it runs against your opinion or agenda I suspect.
I will simplify my point for you,why pay so much for a dog that is not necessary.
Aj I am not trying to derail this thread but rather find that anything I say has been taken to heart by some posters yourself included leading towards an unfair bias.
I have every right to exercise my right to defend my position if a poster makes a jibe at me,I am not being critical of the op just giving an opinion to them that may help or not help them choose an animal.

Why pay for anything that isnt necessary then? I wanted a rottweiler all my life and finally got one 5 years ago. I had to buy pedigree as i wanted to show it and ensure i was getting a healthy, well bred, responsibly bred dog, which costs money. It has paid off for me as my dog was top rottie in ireland in 2011. Just because someone pays for a dog doesnt mean theres anything wrong with it.
You started off by saying that Frenchies are designer dogs which is completely incorrect, so you didnt have your facts right at all, thats what the issue is.

[200yrolecrank]

Originally Posted by andreac

Why pay for anything that isnt necessary then? I wanted a rottweiler all my life and finally got one 5 years ago. I had to buy pedigree as i wanted to show it and ensure i was getting a healthy, well bred, responsibly bred dog, which costs money. It has paid off for me as my dog was top rottie in ireland in 2011. Just because someone pays for a dog doesnt mean theres anything wrong with it.
You started off by saying that Frenchies are designer dogs which is completely incorrect, so you didnt have your facts right at all, thats what the issue is.

Whatever as predicted you have to nitpick my post as your so caught up in your own agenda and mods don't worry I won't be responding to this thread again as I wouldn't want to feed the burning desire of some posters to lambast a poster with a different opinion to them.
Andreac your reasoning sounds just like what an auctioneer told me in 2007 about getting on the ladder and the price to do it.

[andreac]

Originally Posted by 200yrolecrank

Whatever as predicted you have to nitpick my post as your so caught up in your own agenda and mods don't worry I won't be responding to this thread again as I wouldn't want to feed the burning desire of some posters to lambast a poster with a different opinion to them.
Andreac your reasoning sounds just like what an auctioneer told me in 2007 about getting on the ladder and the price to do it.

The thing is you didnt state your opinion, you stated incorrect facts about pedigree dogs, thats not an opinion.

I honestly dont know what your problem is with buying a dog, but you really havent a clue what you are on about, stated incorrect facts and so on about pedigree dogs. If you dont want to buy a dog then dont, but dont discourage someone else because they want to, jeez.

The op wants a Frenchie, they dont come cheap, so whats the problem, only your opinion on by the looks of it.

[Hellrazer]

Originally Posted by 200yrolecrank

Helleazer point taken but I am not trying to push a rescue.
I am entitled to defend a remark made by andreac given that this is an open forum.

Not when youve been warned by 2 mods already to drop this and are still trying to derail the thread.

The OP asked for info on a particular breed and you are opinion ramming with your telling them to get a rescue.

Have you even thought that they might not want one and have their mind set on a Frenchie regardless of the expense??