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View Poll Results: prime Vitali VS prime Big George, who wins?
Vitali 13 41.94%
Foreman 18 58.06%
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22-02-2012, 22:55   #31
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What height do you think Vitali is?

I'll tell you what height Foreman is. He was regularly quoted at 6'3.5, 6 foot 3 and half an inch.
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22-02-2012, 22:58   #32
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Vitali is on boxrec at 6,7.5"

I'd say he is at least 6,6" that's still 3 inches taller than big George.
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The 70's approach to fighting would be at a major disadvantage to today...
The overall 70s approach, or George's 70s approach?

What fighter today beats a prime 70s Foreman? Haye? Wlad? Solis? Adamek? Chisora? Helenius?

Or, what fighter today beats a Frazier or Ali or Norton or Holmes?

I admit that Vit could beat George, apart from him and his brother, who stands little chance vs. prime Foreman, who from today stands any real chance vs. Foreman, or the top men from the 70s?
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What height do you think Vitali is?

I'll tell you what height Foreman is. He was regularly quoted at 6'3.5, 6 foot 3 and half an inch.
I'd guess that George foreman was 6 foot 3... and that Vitali was 6 foot 7... I 'd guess that Ali was 6 foot 2...
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I would argue Foreman is 3/4 inch taller than Ali. Maybe 6'4".

Vit is about 2-3 inches taller than George.
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The overall 70s approach, or George's 70s approach?

What fighter today beats a prime 70s Foreman? Haye? Wlad? Solis? Adamek? Chisora? Helenius?

Or, what fighter today beats a Frazier or Ali or Norton or Holmes?

I admit that Vit could beat George, apart from him and his brother, who stands little chance vs. prime Foreman, who from today stands any real chance vs. Foreman, or the top men from the 70s?
I think there is an Irish guy from cork, that would stand a great chance against the smaller, less technically skilled fighter from the 70's ...
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I think there is an Irish guy from cork, that would stand a great chance against the smaller, less technically skilled fighter from the 70's ...
Irish is he? Great grandfather Irish?

Well, waiting for your answer. What best men today apart from Perez (and Klits) are competitive vs. the best from the 70s?

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I would argue Foreman is 3/4 inch taller than Ali. Maybe 6'4".

Vit is about 2-3 inches taller than George.
I'd say 4 inches difference at least... I think most both boxers height would have been exaggerated at one stage or another. Ali's trainer and Ali's daughter said Ali was 6 foot 2 instead of the 6 foot 3 he is credited as...
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Irish is he? Great grandfather Irish?

Well, waiting for your answer. What best men today apart from Perez (and Klits) are competitive vs. the best from the 70s?
You have put me in a difficult situation, If I say someone that was beaten by a klit, most people will automactically think bum and ridicule me, because that is the information that the media feeds them

Alot of people are unable to appreciate that the Klits would make most fighters looks like bums. There is a poll on a boxing forum called boxingscene.com, which asks,...Would American football players or Basketballs players beat The klitschkos brothers...

Poll result is yes 55%!

I picked Perez because he will never face a Klit , and he will never be subject to be called a bum
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As Ali showed, speed of foot, speed of hand and good defence were the only way to beat Foreman. Ali let Foreman beat himself and Klitschko . Foreman all the way for me !
Ali had zero speed of foot in his fight against Foreman... ! ...Ali had zero to little defense in this fight !.. ....Ali was dead on his feet for most of the fight against Foreman...
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Ali had zero speed of foot in his fight against Foreman... ! ...Ali had zero to little defense in this fight !.. ....Ali was dead on his feet for most of the fight against Foreman...
This post tells me that either you were blind drunk watching the fight, or you are simply terrible at analysing. It's so off the mark there has to be an explanation?

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You have put me in a difficult situation, If I say someone that was beaten by a klit, most people will automactically think bum and ridicule me, because that is the information that the media feeds them

Alot of people are unable to appreciate that the Klits would make most fighters looks like bums. There is a poll on a boxing forum called boxingscene.com, which asks,...Would American football players or Basketballs players beat The klitschkos brothers...

Poll result is yes 55%!

I picked Perez because he will never face a Klit , and he will never be subject to be called a bum
What have BB&AF players got to do with my query?

I appreciate the Klits. My query is what fighters apart from them, today, would be better than the best men from the 70s?

You said the 70s approach wouldn't cut it when fighting the men from today.
Well, who are these men today that would back that up?

I am aware that the Klits have dominated most of them, but still, I have seen them when not meeting Klits, and I am puzzled as to which ones would be bettre or even really trouble the best 70s men.

Bear in mind that neither Klit is a guarantee to be the best when the likes of Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Holmes, to name a few, are in the pot.

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Ali had zero speed of foot in his fight against Foreman... !
Correct, this was the game plan and Big George had very good cutting off skills and Ali knew this.

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...Ali had zero to little defense in this fight !..
I strongly disagree, he took most on the arms and used the roped to take a lot of the trauma-not standard defense but that was all part of the plan and the only way he could beat the almost unbeatable Foreman

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....Ali was dead on his feet for most of the fight against Foreman...
He wasn't-he was tired as his body was getting pounded and it was meant to be something like 46 degrees heat, both where and Ali knew George would tire, in hindsight if George had of took a round or 2 off during the fight he would have easily won the fight.
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Correct, this was the game plan and Big George had very good cutting off skills and Ali knew this.


I strongly disagree, he took most on the arms and used the roped to take a lot of the trauma-not standard defense but that was all part of the plan and the only way he could beat the almost unbeatable Foreman



He wasn't-he was tired as his body was getting pounded and it was meant to be something like 46 degrees heat, both where and Ali knew George would tire, in hindsight if George had of took a round or 2 off during the fight he would have easily won the fight.
Spot on, Paul. And, as I noted in a previous post, Formean was excellent at making a ring a very small place. I also noted that it would take a peak Clay/Ali to physically get away from a prime Foreman. Ali still used his feet to manoeuvre George to where Ali wanted the fight to take place. That is an example of clever feet and clever brain. He needed his feet a good deal, just in a different way to all out speed.

Ali's game plan was to confuse George, spear George, out last George; and he did this to perfection. Rode many of George's bombs too.

Why do you think if George took a rd or two off he would have "easily" won the fight? I cannot agree here. I think Ali beats George all the time, no matter what the tactics. Ali is just a notch above. His style is wrong for Foreman.

Of the 8 rds, which did George easily win? I had Ali winning several rds even before the 7th and 8th began.

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What have BB&AF players got to do with my query?

I appreciate the Klits. My query is what fighters apart from them, today, would be better than the best men from the 70s?

You said the 70s approach wouldn't cut it when fighting the men from today.
Well, who are these men today that would back that up?

I am aware that the Klits have dominated most of them, but still, I have seen them when not meeting Klits, and I am puzzled as to which ones would be bettre or even really trouble the best 70s men.

Bear in mind that neither Klit is a guarantee to be the best when the likes of Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Holmes, to name a few, are in the pot.
The basketball thing show's that most people vastly underrate the brothers, both would be up there in any generation, Wlad's chin meaning he will lost some fights, Vitali as i always say remains extremely hard to beat for anyone, Vitali blow's Frazier away

i think style wise he is all wrong for 70's george as george would be quite easy to hit against Vitali's style

90's George could trouble Vitali as he still had chin, Power and an excellent jab, Ali again would struggle with Vitali but if it was happening tomorrow i would genuinely think 50-50

Funny enough i think Holmes at peak could be the harder match for Vitali than any of the others as he would be the best of them for a chess match and tactical fight and he had great all round skills.
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