[Dustaz]

Originally Posted by ShadowHearth

You can discuss, but so far I only heard moaning without actual problems. If you do want developers do something about, then atleast point out your problems out.

Everyone knows what the problems are, they have been repeated here ad nauseum, but i can paste my cancel account comments if you wish?

In the end of the day, if you don't like the product, don't use it.

Well thats pretty much the point of this, and the other thread isnt it?

From reading few posts here and seeing that some people had maxed level amd few alta with med level is such small time. Seriuosly... Now that's we're I would inser " get a life " remark.

I had a max level account by early-mid january and i would have had a maxed alt except for the last 3 weeks i havent been bothered playing that much. I have a pretty full on career and an active social life. I have a life, thanks very much, and I'm also qualified to say that having actually levelled to cap and raided and pvp'd. Something that cannot be said for the majority that are still enjoying the game.

I personally liked it, but I wont have enough time to dedicate myself to such mmorpg.

You said earlier in the thread that you would recommend this game over wow to your friend.

You should ask yourself why you spent 5 years playing wow, when you have cancelled your sub to this after 2 months.

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[Holyhole]

It does seem a funny one tbh.

One thing that seems certain to me is that this is not a game for the Dcully type, the level fast, maximse gaming time, 'hardcore' attitude sorrta thing. Everyone I know who has attacked it with that attitude has been dissapointed, and i can understand why..

tbh there are many issues, but for those of us that are more relaxed about it, want to log in for mayb a couple hours a night, maybe 1 or 2 raids a week with m8s, in no hurry to get to top level, watching ALL the cutscenes and getting into the full experience, its pretty cool. i mean there are performace issues and all that sure, I believe that will get fixed. and the end game content is a bit dull.. but if you want to envelop yourself in Star Wars you will enjoy it.

I gotta say tho, right now, it is seeming to me more a replacement for Galaxies than a replacement for WoW.

Ill still be playing for a long while yet tho.. really enjoying levelling assassin right now, and still havent got Soa down on Hard mode.. looking forward to new patches, and for populations on the servers to loose all the naysayers and just be left with committed people..

[November One]

Originally Posted by Holyhole

It does seem a funny one tbh.

One thing that seems certain to me is that this is not a game for the Dcully type, the level fast, maximse gaming time, 'hardcore' attitude sorrta thing. Everyone I know who has attacked it with that attitude has been dissapointed, and i can understand why..

tbh there are many issues, but for those of us that are more relaxed about it, want to log in for mayb a couple hours a night, maybe 1 or 2 raids a week with m8s, in no hurry to get to top level, watching ALL the cutscenes and getting into the full experience, its pretty cool. i mean there are performace issues and all that sure, I believe that will get fixed. and the end game content is a bit dull.. but if you want to envelop yourself in Star Wars you will enjoy it.

I gotta say tho, right now, it is seeming to me more a replacement for Galaxies than a replacement for WoW.

Ill still be playing for a long while yet tho.. really enjoying levelling assassin right now, and still havent got Soa down on Hard mode.. looking forward to new patches, and for populations on the servers to loose all the naysayers and just be left with committed people..

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[Dcully]

Originally Posted by Holyhole

It does seem a funny one tbh.

One thing that seems certain to me is that this is not a game for the Dcully type, the level fast, maximse gaming time, 'hardcore' attitude sorrta thing. Everyone I know who has attacked it with that attitude has been dissapointed, and i can understand why..

tbh there are many issues, but for those of us that are more relaxed about it, want to log in for mayb a couple hours a night, maybe 1 or 2 raids a week with m8s, in no hurry to get to top level, watching ALL the cutscenes and getting into the full experience, its pretty cool. i mean there are performace issues and all that sure, I believe that will get fixed. and the end game content is a bit dull.. but if you want to envelop yourself in Star Wars you will enjoy it.

I gotta say tho, right now, it is seeming to me more a replacement for Galaxies than a replacement for WoW.

Ill still be playing for a long while yet tho.. really enjoying levelling assassin right now, and still havent got Soa down on Hard mode.. looking forward to new patches, and for populations on the servers to loose all the naysayers and just be left with committed people..

I get what your saying here and fully agree but im far from hardcore mate When i subscribe to a game i want it to offer me loads to do when i want to play,when a a new mmo comes out as ive said i will play hard, time permitting for the free 30 days to see if i want to keep subbed.

[Koded_AR_Rose]

in terms of graphics what game would be a good comparison i am a noob in pc gaming but have a decent enough laptop that runs fallout 3 fairly well and was wondering would it hold up for this game? ... sorry if this question is off topic

[Dustaz]

Originally Posted by Holyhole

One thing that seems certain to me is that this is not a game for the Dcully type, the level fast, maximse gaming time, 'hardcore' attitude sorrta thing. Everyone I know who has attacked it with that attitude has been dissapointed, and i can understand why..

One thing that noone seems to accept is that this 'type' of player exists in every game. The difference is that a game like wow can hold peoples attention for 5 years but swtor struggles to hold them for 5 weeks.

You play the game at your own pace, thats fine but literally the only thing swtor has going for it is the questing system. Once that finishes (or wears thin) there really isnt a whole lot else to it. Companions, most professions, the world at large are useless at max level. The raids are good, but really only 'good'. If my guild had not have quit en masse (myself included) we would have everything clear on nightmare (all bar soa down in ev) by now and be left with nothing at all to do. For some reason in wow, that didnt happen untill at least a year into the cycle of each expansion.

Ill still be playing for a long while yet tho.. really enjoying levelling assassin right now, and still havent got Soa down on Hard mode.. looking forward to new patches, and for populations on the servers to loose all the naysayers and just be left with committed people..

Without sounding overly negative, Id guess that theres a faily hefty amount of that population is made up of naysayers. Basilisk Droid was a massively full server at launch and now on alliance side its a ghost town. I hope for the sake of people who do enjoy the game that therell be server merges soon.

[Blowfish]

Originally Posted by Dustaz

Basilisk Droid was a massively full server at launch and now on alliance side its a ghost town. I hope for the sake of people who do enjoy the game that therell be server merges soon.

Are you sure about that? Republic have actually started dominating Ilum in the evenings, it seems there's more Reps now then there's ever been.

[Draupnir]

Got to level 34 last night, starting to dream of finally capping a character in an MMORPG for the first time since MUD in college. I think the highest I ever got in WoW was level 59 with a Draenei Paladin about 5 years after I started playing!

One thing that bugged me a bit last night was that, in spite of being spec'd as a Medic Commando, I could only down some pretty strong NPC's around my level on Balmorra if I played with my Medic companion and I did the tanking. Perhaps I've underpowered my tank companion though.

Still loving the main storyline for the Commando Trooper, didn't expect the story to be as engaging.

[Shiminay]

Originally Posted by Dustaz

If my guild had not have quit en masse (myself included) we would have everything clear on nightmare (all bar soa down in ev) by now and be left with nothing at all to do. For some reason in wow, that didnt happen untill at least a year into the cycle of each expansion.

Is it a case Dusty that Wow simply had more content or that the game took longer/was harder to get through or anything? It seems like that's the sort of thing they really should be able to get right when WoW has been around for so many years and with a heap of expansions etc.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Koded_AR_Rose

in terms of graphics what game would be a good comparison i am a noob in pc gaming but have a decent enough laptop that runs fallout 3 fairly well and was wondering would it hold up for this game? ... sorry if this question is off topic

Warhammer Online would be the nearest graphics wise to SWTOR. But the game engine is crap so you need a pretty good system to run it at medium quality settings.

[Holyhole]

Originally Posted by Dustaz

One thing that noone seems to accept is that this 'type' of player exists in every game. The difference is that a game like wow can hold peoples attention for 5 years but swtor struggles to hold them for 5 weeks.
You play the game at your own pace, thats fine but literally the only thing swtor has going for it is the questing system. Once that finishes (or wears thin) there really isnt a whole lot else to it. Companions, most professions, the world at large are useless at max level. The raids are good, but really only 'good'. If my guild had not have quit en masse (myself included) we would have everything clear on nightmare (all bar soa down in ev) by now and be left with nothing at all to do. For some reason in wow, that didnt happen untill at least a year into the cycle of each expansion.

I dont agree with a lot of this tbh m8. about the end game not being there, yep thats true, its pretty faceroll, about the 'type' of player, yep, especially at the start of any MMO. never argued any of that. But Companions/professions/world at large not being there.. nope dont agree with that at all... companions are really good addition, really helpful, save me a whole heap of time gettin epic mats to make cashish, as well as providing some fun story quests. 'Most professions' is a bit vague, but i have found that the crafting is at least better then wow, definatly a fan of using slicing on one char to get the mission for Underworld trading on another char, to make epic bracers on another char, to make me 150K Credits, thats much more amusing than any crafting I ever did in WoW, maybe thats personal taste tho.. the world at large, well i play on a PvE server (FrostClaw), so if you mean world pvp then i wouldnt really know or care tbh.. but there are a few hours of dailys, several HM instances, a couple high end world bosses.
Could there be more? HELL yeah! cant wait to try it as it comes in..
You are correct tho that vast majority of this game right now is in the levelling, which is fine by me, looking forward to levelling one of every class.. 8 chars whould keep me busy for quite some time..

Originally Posted by Dustaz

Without sounding overly negative, Id guess that theres a faily hefty amount of that population is made up of naysayers. Basilisk Droid was a massively full server at launch and now on alliance side its a ghost town. I hope for the sake of people who do enjoy the game that therell be server merges soon.

Yer I hope the merges are done quite soon as well tbh m8. Although when you look at the info comming out of BW, the seem to be saying that they havent lost that many subs. This may be true, but activity is definatly falling, at least from what i can see. I do assume its from the 'more hardcore' players, and the 'more casual' players are now starting to get up to 50, so hopefully its going to work out in the long run. Certainly my guild population has gone very sharply in the last month from harder players to softer players.
Its worth saying that I actually feel kinda sorry for the more serious gamers who attacked this game with real gusto. I thought it was going to accommodate you guys. I suppose you will have to check out Tera and GW2, hopefully you will find what you are looking for there. Although, i think it is very reasonable to want a fresh and enjoyable (non WoW copy) MMO, SWTOR is not it, and when it does come out, everyone, myself included, will be heading over to it..

[Venjur]

I was on Atho City.

Didn't play hardcore - took til mid Jan to get to 50. At around 40 I just started to find the game boring and I think I pushed to 50 with the hope that it would improve.

At 50, PvP became a hateful mess, the entire game ran poorly on my machine which is massively above the system requirements and the content was extremely generic.

I guess I'm not speaking for everyone - but I think the game is promising with some interesting ideas but the execution has been poor and I don't think the playerbase out there has the patience for things like this anymore.

I think WoW really burned a lot of people out when it came to grinding out gear and I think MMO's in general need to offer something more now. What that is I don't know.

In anycase - back on topic, most of my guild on ATHO have quit and the server is extremely quit. My sub ran out around a week ago but I hadn't played since late January.

I know I won't be back, I rarely un-install games but I completely removed SWTOR because I know I'm done with it.

Not trashing it, it's worth a try if you are new to MMO's or are into star wars. It's a good experience for a while but ultimately it left me with no desire whatsoever to log in and play. Even the thought of logging in would be a chore now.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Holyhole

I dont agree with a lot of this tbh m8. about the end game not being there, yep thats true, its pretty faceroll, about the 'type' of player, yep, especially at the start of any MMO. never argued any of that. But Companions/professions/world at large not being there.. nope dont agree with that at all... companions are really good addition, really helpful, save me a whole heap of time gettin epic mats to make cashish, as well as providing some fun story quests. 'Most professions' is a bit vague, but i have found that the crafting is at least better then wow, definatly a fan of using slicing on one char to get the mission for Underworld trading on another char, to make epic bracers on another char, to make me 150K Credits, thats much more amusing than any crafting I ever did in WoW, maybe thats personal taste tho.. the world at large, well i play on a PvE server (FrostClaw), so if you mean world pvp then i wouldnt really know or care tbh.. but there are a few hours of dailys, several HM instances, a couple high end world bosses.
Could there be more? HELL yeah! cant wait to try it as it comes in..
You are correct tho that vast majority of this game right now is in the levelling, which is fine by me, looking forward to levelling one of every class.. 8 chars whould keep me busy for quite some time..

Unless there has been a radical change in crafting the best way to make lots of credits in SWTOR is by not wasting credits leveling up crafting. Apart from the fact you can get equal if not better upgrades via commendation vendors on every planet not to mention once you hit 50 the amount of credits you get from the daily missions is way more profitable that crafting.

[Kirby]

Alot of people who complained about lack of end game content.....didn't do any of it. They got to 50 and just quit. How many of you actually did the set of hardmodes at 50? Even once? Black Talon, Boarding Party, The Foundry, Directive 7, Battle of Ilum, False emperor, Kaos under siege. Most of them are on the fleet. You don't even have to travel anywhere. They all drop tionese and Columi gear and all take an hour or so with the exception of BT. FE and Foundry have good stories too where you fight Revan and Malgus. There was plenty to do and it took me over a month to farm my columi set doing them every day.

Then you have EV and Karagga normal and hard modes which are 8 and 16 man raids. You have Ilum open pvp. You have Ilum and Belsavis dailies if thats your thing. And you have battleground pvp with three maps.

Tbh I can't think of any MMO that has had more engame content on release and I've played all the recent ones save rift.

Regarding professions, I found Underworld trading an excellent moneymaker. Mandalorian Iron sells for 7k a bar. I've made several million credits without too much effort from it.

Then there is the fun of farming sets at 50. People don't realise you can take any low level armor you want and like the look of, farm the set, and put the mods from the best armor in the game in it. The next patch is adding removal of armor mods and the tier weapons and armour sets......so if you don't like the look of the tier sets, take the mods out and stick it in your favourite set. Great feature.

[November One]

Originally Posted by Kirby

FE and Foundry have good stories too where you fight Revan and Malgus.

Dude spoilers.

Otherwise I think you made a good point.