[portgirl123]

we took in a GSD last yr at around 5 months. she came from a litter living on a farm, the mammy was 10! the reason i took her was cos the farmer couldnt get get rid of most of them and was going to drown.
Anyways since we got her she has always cried, i do know that they can be a very vocal dog but suzie crys const. i dont mind during the day we ignore her and she is getting better. the biggest prob is her crying from half 6 in the morning. this wasnt such a big prob when we lived in the country but now we live in town neighbours are complaing. i hate outside dogs as i think they should be inside and all my dogs are. suzie hates been inside always has since the day we got her, shes paces and gets herself into a state if she is inside to long, saying that she is getting better she will now come into the kitchen and will settle for awhile. because of this she sleeps out at night, we have tried her in, have had 2 trainers with her, both diff advise.
we did think when winter came she would sleep longer but no half 6 on the dot she starts. its like she has a alarm clock inside her. now her crying is so loud that neighbours in the next estate can hear her. on advise we were told by first trainer to ignore her the second said to shout at her as you can see 2 different advise we have done both but nothing helps. if we get up and let her in she grand for 15 mins or so then wants to get back out, she will get out and start again. if we let the others out to her again maybe grand for half an hr then she will start and the others will start as well, as they want to get in.
she is walked twice sometimes 3 times aday, both on lead and off. she swims we also put some mental training in as well but nothing works. we have also keep her in but come 2, 3 oclock she just wants out and then half 6 she starts again.
can anyone help as only living here few weeks and we are hated. no way am i getting rid of her as apart from this she is a great girl. if i have rambled im sorry as i thought of more i kept adding.
just to ad, as ive said i hate outside dogs and would love her to sleep in, at the moment she is sleeping outside in a shed we bought, we have it insulated, heating put in, that cost me a fortune, beds toys. its not cold as we have constant heat but not to hot, have a temp gauge to keep check of temp.

also we would love a lie in, havent had one since we got her

[gud4u]

Have you had her checked by vet to make sure she's not in any pain or sick.

How does she interact with your other dogs during the day.

Is she just bored at 6am, it sounds like you've built a house outside for her, could one of the other dogs sleep out with her.

Could it be separation anxiety as she was older when you got her, but mine was 6 months to and he never cried.

Just suggestions, hopefully someone more knowledgeable will be along.

[callmekenneth]

sounhds like she'd be happier outside, it's understandable that you dont want her to be outside but she has a big coat on her, if she wants out is there somewhere safe for her to be, enclosed yard with a kennel? it might ease her anxiety and when coming in becomes more of a novelty she might want in?

[JustAThought]

O God!!! What a nightmare!! poor you; poor your neighbours & poor Suzi!!!!
It sounds like you are trying really hard so fair dues to you for that.

Sounds like your Suzi is an outdoors dog so that's one; even if you'd prefer her to be inside! My cousin has a georgous GR who gets really stressed & wrecks the place if left inside; no reason for it... Her dog came back from it's first kennel holiday at 10 months old and point blank refused to stay indoors overnight ever after that! And her yard isn't attractive or interesting ; no reasonable logic to it!

I think the other poster is right re the vets check up: if money is right you might co sided the blue cross; but if not it's very worth looking at.
What does your Suzi enjoy ( apart from singing!); is there something you could distract her with?
Mine didn't like me going out AT ALL and would go a bit nuts wanting to come with me ( despite me being worn to a stump walking ) so I got an old small coke bottle & bent it up
a bit & put some of her food in it & she playes away with it happily trying to get them out for about 20 mins... The she forgets what she was upset by & is ! Might be worth a try at 0630 !!!!
It really sounds like she is frustrated or bored; but it's hard to know: I feel for you!!!
Mine for a full TWO YEARS use to go nuts screaming & barking at the door when she thought I was going out for her walk and after it really getting out if hand I taught her " "Sssh" . I'd go "sssh" & give her a treat, then go good "sssh" & give her another & I wouldn't open the door until she stopped the screaming & barking. Unbelievably, it worked: after two years and complaints :0
might be worth a try with yours? I had to use supertreats with mine ( she is extremely good motivated and I wanted a quick resolution so I used decking sausages; my pockets smelt for weeks!) . It nay be something totally different but it could be worth a try.

Keep us posted!
BTW: I see you be tried two " experts". I was in despair at 8 months with my dog & lead training & John who does training at the estuary in Malahide was extremely brilliant in sorting my problem out literally in a flash. I was going there for activity training & he just put her straight . I think his second name is ward ; I'd really recommend him even maybe to come to an activity class once & talk with him ; he is a bit of a genius.
( that's in Dublin, Malahide down by the estuary)

Keep us posted; I really feel for you & it sounds like your really doing your best. Don't give up!

[JustAThought]

Sorry ; one other idea came to me. Is this something she started doing after the novelty if newly living with you wore off ? It might be worth contacting he original owner & asking what the dogs routine was there. Maybe there is something simple it misses, or wants!!
Equally; maybe it always did that & that was why they were so anxious to secure a new home for screaming Suzi :0

[portgirl123]

Originally Posted by gud4u

Have you had her checked by vet to make sure she's not in any pain or sick.

How does she interact with your other dogs during the day.

Is she just bored at 6am, it sounds like you've built a house outside for her, could one of the other dogs sleep out with her.

Could it be separation anxiety as she was older when you got her, but mine was 6 months to and he never cried.

Just suggestions, hopefully someone more knowledgeable will be along.

thanks for your reply, the first thing i did was get suzie checked over, in fact twice and he said she is a lovely healthy dog. thats the thing, im not perpered to let my others sleep outside, while i know they would be perfectly warm etc, i really dont think it would be fair to chuck them outside as they have been indoor dogs since i had them. she is brill with the other dogs and my cats. when she is in and calm she will cuddle up with both the dogs and cats. the thing is after, what ever time, she wants out.
she is only like this in the morning. rest of the day she will happily do her own thing. apart from when she gets excited and then her singing will start

[portgirl123]

Originally Posted by callmekenneth

sounhds like she'd be happier outside, it's understandable that you dont want her to be outside but she has a big coat on her, if she wants out is there somewhere safe for her to be, enclosed yard with a kennel? it might ease her anxiety and when coming in becomes more of a novelty she might want in?

thats the thing, she is now sleeping outside, as i posted i have built a customised kennel for her with heating, beds, toys etc for her. still at half 6 she starts.

[portgirl123]

Originally Posted by JustAThought

O God!!! What a nightmare!! poor you; poor your neighbours & poor Suzi!!!!
It sounds like you are trying really hard so fair dues to you for that.

Sounds like your Suzi is an outdoors dog so that's one; even if you'd prefer her to be inside! My cousin has a georgous GR who gets really stressed & wrecks the place if left inside; no reason for it... Her dog came back from it's first kennel holiday at 10 months old and point blank refused to stay indoors overnight ever after that! And her yard isn't attractive or interesting ; no reasonable logic to it!

I think the other poster is right re the vets check up: if money is right you might co sided the blue cross; but if not it's very worth looking at.
What does your Suzi enjoy ( apart from singing!); is there something you could distract her with?
Mine didn't like me going out AT ALL and would go a bit nuts wanting to come with me ( despite me being worn to a stump walking ) so I got an old small coke bottle & bent it up
a bit & put some of her food in it & she playes away with it happily trying to get them out for about 20 mins... The she forgets what she was upset by & is ! Might be worth a try at 0630 !!!!
It really sounds like she is frustrated or bored; but it's hard to know: I feel for you!!!
Mine for a full TWO YEARS use to go nuts screaming & barking at the door when she thought I was going out for her walk and after it really getting out if hand I taught her " "Sssh" . I'd go "sssh" & give her a treat, then go good "sssh" & give her another & I wouldn't open the door until she stopped the screaming & barking. Unbelievably, it worked: after two years and complaints :0
might be worth a try with yours? I had to use supertreats with mine ( she is extremely good motivated and I wanted a quick resolution so I used decking sausages; my pockets smelt for weeks!) . It nay be something totally different but it could be worth a try.

Keep us posted!
BTW: I see you be tried two " experts". I was in despair at 8 months with my dog & lead training & John who does training at the estuary in Malahide was extremely brilliant in sorting my problem out literally in a flash. I was going there for activity training & he just put her straight . I think his second name is ward ; I'd really recommend him even maybe to come to an activity class once & talk with him ; he is a bit of a genius.
( that's in Dublin, Malahide down by the estuary)

Keep us posted; I really feel for you & it sounds like your really doing your best. Don't give up!

i dont mind her been a outdoor dog if that what makes her happy, but it seems to me when shes in she wants out, and visa versa. she enjoys her walks more than anything. toys etc dont seem to really interest her. she is brought on plenty of walks and swims. my son who is 19 is very good with her, before collage, cos where all up super early brings her on at least a hrs walk in the mornings, i, bring her around noon then my son brings her again in the eve. the rest of the day she is in and out with us and is fine most of the time. if she gets anxiuous during day we let her out and shes fine. i actually live in laois so dublin would be a bit far.

[portgirl123]

Originally Posted by JustAThought

Sorry ; one other idea came to me. Is this something she started doing after the novelty if newly living with you wore off ? It might be worth contacting he original owner & asking what the dogs routine was there. Maybe there is something simple it misses, or wants!!
Equally; maybe it always did that & that was why they were so anxious to secure a new home for screaming Suzi :0

no, susie has nearly done this from day one. the original owners didnt give a ****e about them, basically just left to do what they liked when they pleased. if i can remember rightly most of the litter was gave away with her as he couldnt get rid.

[angelfire9]

Any chance you could install a flap in the back door so she can come and go as she pleases? i.e. If she wants in at 6am to confirm after hours of silence that she hasn't been abandoned she could come in trot around the house to reassure herself and she"ll probably go off put again without a problem

[Ronnie Beck]

she's probably lonely. If she came from a farm she's probably used to lots company especially if she slept with her mother until 5 months. get her another dog if you can. Maybe you can borrow another dog she knows for the night to see if it works. If not let her sleep outside your bedroom door or tell your husband to go down stairs and tell to shut up or she wont get any breakfast.

[callmekenneth]

Originally Posted by portgirl123

thats the thing, she is now sleeping outside, as i posted i have built a customised kennel for her with heating, beds, toys etc for her. still at half 6 she starts.

blimey. so she thinks she's a cockeril.. so i cant help, i'd be surprised if someone here doesnt have the answer though

[portgirl123]

[QUOTE=angelfire9;77188333]Any chance you could install a flap in the back door so she can come and go as she pleases? i.e. If she wants in at 6am to confirm after hours of silence that she hasn't been abandoned she could come in trot around the house to reassure herself and she"ll probably go off put again without a problem[/QUote

did this in my old house. all she did was come in wreck the place, get the other dogs to start and still be crying. cant do it here anyways as have a alaminum door.

[gud4u]

Originally Posted by portgirl123

no, susie has nearly done this from day one. the original owners didnt give a ****e about them, basically just left to do what they liked when they pleased. if i can remember rightly most of the litter was gave away with her as he couldnt get rid.

Maybe that's it, she might have gone off roaming at that time every morning if she had free reign of a farm.

Maybe she feels couped up, I know your backyard is probably big enough and it sounds like you have built a hotel for her, when you say she's sleeping outside, do you mean outside in the hotel or outside under the stars.

Maybe a cow would help and then you'd have milk too, joking of course..

[portgirl123]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Beck

she's probably lonely. If she came from a farm she's probably used to lots company especially if she slept with her mother until 5 months. get her another dog if you can. Maybe you can borrow another dog she knows for the night to see if it works. If not let her sleep outside your bedroom door or tell your husband to go down stairs and tell to shut up or she wont get any breakfast.

god, this seems bad. everything someone suggests ive either done it or i cant do it for what ever reason.
my old neighbour, where i used to live, went a way for 2 weeks at christmas and i minded her 2 outdoor dogs. the 1st night/morning not a sound till we woke at 10. first thing i did was ran to window to call dogs thought something had happened but no, 3 happy dogs came out of their shed. thought great. 2nd morning back to square one and for rest of the 2 weeks.
in my old house as i said was really so much of a problem as no near neighbours so we could try and ignore my thought been you dont reward a whinging child so same i thought with a dog. last holidays, 3 months from school, collage we tried and tried to wait till she stopped before we would get up this didnt work. in this house with neighbours we cant ignore so my hubby is telling her to stop but she just continues