[angelfire9]

Originally Posted by Shane Fitz

Why not broaden the role of existing dog wardens?

And you know full well I was only showing the double standard.
Far too many stray dogs are PTS in pounds around the country due to negligent owners. Yet when the same is suggest for the stray cat problem there is holy war.. Catch as many stray cats as possible and if unclaimed after a period then PTS.
Sure if your beloved pet is collared, tagged or chipped with contact details then you could reclaim it. Or better still don't loose the damned thing. As responsible dog owners have found out, the right to have the pet of your choice, including RB's, entails certain responsibilities.
Cat owners should be held responsible for their cats.... Simple as!

Easier said than done with cats
My cat can open the house windows without any help which is something your average dog is not capable of
(and before you say it all the downstairs windows in this house are locked but you cannot lock an upstairs bedroom window for safety)

When i come home from shopping he sometimes tears down the stairs and out the front door as I am coming in like a miniature hurricane unstoppable most dogs will stop and greet their owners cats generally don't

Prior to enclosing our back garden we moved everything he could jump up on to assist his escapes (i.e. the bins and coal bunker etc) into the middle of the garden and my little lunatic climbed the kids swingset and jumped from the top of it over our 8ft wall into the neighbours garden

He can also claw his way up the side of the shed when thus inclined
Our back garden now resembles a prison yard with wire fencing all along the tops of the walls and he still OCCASSIONALLY gets out (i've yet to figure out where)

This is a neutered Tom
In summary: Cats are escape artists

[angry kitten]

Originally Posted by Hellrazer

But the thread is not about hunting--its about reclassifiction of cats.



Why would I do that??The poster never said they hunted cats--they said they hunted feral cats which is completely ok in line with the rules of the forum.





This isnt the first time youve come to my attention--You were warned a couple of weeks ago for posting a thread that I deleted twice.





Im not even going to respond to that conspiracy theory.




Ive explained my reasons for leaving the post there.

As for defamatory remarks--They are removed for a completely different reason.

Now back on topic.

You will recall that at the time I told you that I reposted it as I thought that I'd accidentally deleted it myself. How exactly do they know that the cats are feral. Have they spoken to the landowners to enquire as to whether the cat is a farm cat or that the farmer wants the cat? You will recall that you didn't inform me the first time you removed that post. If you had then the confusion could have been avoided

[kildare.17hmr]

Originally Posted by angry kitten

How exactly do they know that the cats are feral. Have they spoken to the landowners to enquire as to whether the cat is a farm cat or that the farmer wants the cat?

if you want to start a thread in hunting ill tell you all about it but in answer to your question yes i spoke to the landowner, it was infact the land owner that requested it just as he would have the right to do were it a dog. Ill say no more about it here because its the wrong forum for it

[Discodog]

Originally Posted by Shane Fitz

Why not broaden the role of existing dog wardens?

Try suggesting the idea to a dog warden

All the LA's have cut back on dog wardens. I believe that there is now one for the whole of county Galway. Have you ever tried to catch a nervous or feral cat ? Catching one cat could easily take you a week during which you would be going backwards & forwards searching locations etc. Including the Vet fee the cost per cat would be astronomic.

I believe that the only workable idea is to put a welfare tax on all Pet products with a guarantee that it would only go to welfare. Start at 5% & increase each year to a maximum of 20%. That would yield a huge amount of money to help the stray cats & dogs.

[Discodog]

Originally Posted by kildare.17hmr

if you want to start a thread in hunting ill tell you all about

If we started a thread in hunting it would soon be closed We welcome shooters here but I don't think it works the other way around.

[Shane Fitz]

Originally Posted by Discodog

........... the cost per cat would be astronomic.

A point 22 round only cost a few cents!!

[excaliburhc]

Originally Posted by Shane Fitz

A point 22 round only cost a few cents!!

nice very nice .


Mods
is this worth closing at this stage - i only wanted to raise awareness of something that affects alot of people within these forums ,
regardless of peoples opinions on cats i assumed they would have enough respect to realize that they are pets , members of families and deserve the same protection as dogs .

the cat problem is one of our creation not the cats. they are not indigenous to ireland and amount of strays is due to irresponsible owners .

killing them is not the answer . classifing is the first step (i believe) to licensing and better controls - something i imagine everyone would be on board with.

( i would be pushing this for all animals if i could)

[homerhop]

Originally Posted by Discodog

If we started a thread in hunting it would soon be closed We welcome shooters here but I don't think it works the other way around.

You have pulled that "we cant post there" card before Discodog
There are a few people who post in the hunting forum on a regular basis who are opposed to aspects of it.There are members here who have posted there looking for information and have been treated with the utmost respect,you have posted there yourself. Posters are welcome to post there once they post in a respectful manner. The mods there take zero tolerance to silly name calling or snide comments in debates such as this one.

[kildare.17hmr]

Originally Posted by Discodog

If we started a thread in hunting it would soon be closed We welcome shooters here but I don't think it works the other way around.

Now thats not true at all is it.

[Discodog]

Originally Posted by kildare.17hmr

Now thats not true at all is it.

From the Hunting forum charter. Seems pretty true to me.

This is a hunting forum so if you're anti-hunting, don't post and don't read any posts;

[Discodog]

Originally Posted by Shane Fitz

A point 22 round only cost a few cents!!

Maybe but the identification & removal of all pets, the attendance of a Vet, the adverse publicity, the cost of compensation when you shoot a pet etc.

The final bill could be a much as TNR.

[kildare.17hmr]

Originally Posted by Discodog

From the Hunting forum charter. Seems pretty true to me.

This is a hunting forum so if you're anti-hunting, don't post and don't read any posts;

Now you know well that is a warning not to make anti hunting statements if a poster from here went over there and asked a genuine question it will be answered and the thread will not be closed

[adrenalinjunkie]

Originally Posted by angry kitten

I'm very surprised at your tone adrenalinjunkie, your function as a moderator seems to be overshadowed by your hatred of cats. Incidently I haven't insulted anyone.

LOL at the cat hatred comment followed in quick succession by a claim that you haven't insulted anyone - my cat is curled up on the couch snoring his little head off. For someone who advocates releasing what they deem to be domestic animals into the wild to be killed under the wheels of a car, wrapped around someone's engine, used for 'entertainment' by idiot kids etc, etc, that's a bit rich to be honest

As for people who are throwing the 'so called pet-lovers' phrase around. I find it laughable that so called pet-lovers do them the injustice of leaving them open to the dangers listed above and have no problem with it whatsoever and so called 'animal welfare' organisations who send cats off to people who openly admit they are not going to keep the animal contained on their property for it's own safety and then have the audacity to accuse anyone else of anything. I've killed a handful of cats in my time due to being unable to avoid them on the road. I find it completely disgusting and abhorrent that other people have forced this situation on me though complete and utter neglect of what are supposed to be members of their immediate family (if they are not then they are their descendants).

Very few of us here will have the benefit of a fast, pain-free death, what on earth is so wrong with us doing this justice for the animals we supposedly love and have done us so much service? Sure why would we do that when we can leave them out high and dry to die a long drawn out painful death, what a great way to end an already miserable and wretched existence for an animal whose ancestors were 'supposedly' one of mankind's greatest companions. Death is the ultimate release from pain and suffering, this is why we afford our own pets this small courtesy when their quality of life falls below a point we deem acceptable. I'm sure you are not going to tell me you would rather watch your your own pets suffer in agony than do them this service so why are so against affording the same courtesy to someone else's abandoned pets? It's completely illogical and the only reason I can think of is that people allow their own emotions to get in the way of doing what is best by the animal, it's no different to stuffing a dog full of chocolate because 'he likes it'.

[homerhop]

Originally Posted by Discodog

From the Hunting forum charter. Seems pretty true to me.

This is a hunting forum so if you're anti-hunting, don't post and don't read any posts;

Now you are just being silly Discodog you are well aware that that was put up for all those who went in there starting posts that hunters are cruel and what ever other terms they like to use. Whats the difference between that and the API charter???

This is a general animal & pets forum for pet owners and animal lovers, discussion of bloodsports (including hunting with dogs, hare-coursing and carted stag hunting) is upsetting to many users of this fourm, threads on these topics will be locked or moved to the appropriate forum. The hunting forum can be found here and the angling forum is here


I really had thought you had grown out of that phase but just for you seeing as it was a thread you took part in over there that the mods took zero crap in hence it got locked the mod warning that had been posted http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showp...7&postcount=12


and for those who dont want to go in there the warning said

Mod notice: read before posting.
Firstly, this thread can make for an interesting and good debate, but only if posters keep a level head and refrain from insulting each. The first sign of this and the post(s) will be removed and poster infracted. This also includes "biting satire" or any other post that is designed to illicit a reaction.

[adrenalinjunkie]

Discodog - you will stop these attempts at baiting other posters from here on in or you will find yourself unable to access this thread.

To everyone who is taking part in this forum charter war or whatever it is - get back to the topic of the thread please.