[wes]

Originally Posted by gigino

No law and order from certain Palestinians, who kill whenever they can.

Your now against law and order? Nice of you to admit that. You know civilized people, find out if someone is guilty via something called a trial. You apparently think there guilty on accusation alone.

BTW, Why have you not addressed the fact that you support a clearly racist system with one rule for Israeli's and one for Palestinians? Why have completely ignored that fact? Do you think Palestinians deserve fewer rights than Israelis? I am rather puzzled by you completely ignoring fact of the racist system that you so gun ho about supporting.

Originally Posted by gigino

The hunger striker is on video speaking at a rally ( link earlier ) enticing Palestinians to wear explosive belts and kill Israelis. He also incites shooting Jews. Charming lad.

A youtube video, which could easily have a fake translation or edited. If you look at the youtube user who posted that video, they only upload Anti-Palestinain video's. I would hardly call it a trust worthy source personally.

Also, if that video was accurate, then why did the Israeli's not you know charge him, seeing as there is such conclusive evidence out there. Rather odd that, don't you think? Care to explain that one.

Originally Posted by gigino

You think thats ok,

No, I don't think that ok. However, you did thank a post inciting murder earlier. So your aren't one to judge.

Originally Posted by gigino

and its ok for Palestinians to throw rock through the windscreen of a civilian vehicle driven by a woman.

I said the otherwise earlier:

Originally Posted by wes

Having said that there is no justification for the violence, but if you want to ignore the fact that most of the violence in Hebron is by Israeli settlers then go right ahead.

You aren't very good at this.....

Originally Posted by gigino

I am starting to see a pattern here.

A pattern you made up .

[gigino]

Originally Posted by wes

Your now against law and order? Nice of you to admit that.

No, I am very much for law and order. Your friend who you admire who advocates explosive belts + shooting Israelis etc is not for the type of law and order I like. If you like his style of Islamic Jihad law there that is your preference.

[Nodin]

Originally Posted by gigino

No, I am very much for law and order........

...law and order DeValera style, t'would appear.

[wes]

Originally Posted by gigino

No, I am very much for law and order.

You clearly stated the following:

Originally Posted by gigino

No law and order from certain Palestinians, who kill whenever they can.

Also, law and order includes trials. Since you are against trials, you are against law and order.

You also support a racist system, that treat Palestinians far harsher than Israelis, on the sole basis of there race. Law and order, would include equality before the law. The system you support does not include this.

So in conclusion, you do not support law and order at all. You just say you do. What you support is the sort of the thing that tyrants have used all through history.

Originally Posted by gigino

Your friend who you admire

He is not my friend, nor do I admire him, no have I said any words to that effect. Why you would choose to lie in such a blatant manner is beyond me.

Originally Posted by gigino

who advocates explosive belts + shooting Israelis etc

If that was true, then why was he not charged for doing so? Also, why do you ignore that question? Its a simple question, why do you refuse to answer it.

Originally Posted by gigino

is not for the type of law and order I like.

No one said such things were law and order...... You really are grasping at straws.

Originally Posted by gigino

If you like his style of Islamic Jihad law there that is your preference.

Your not making any sense at all, seriously "Islamic Jihad Law" wtf are you on about. BTW, I already said I was against any such incitement. You on the other hand have no issues thanking post that engage in such incitement, so again your in no position to judge in anyways.

Also, you clearly have no issues with an Israeli system, that allows Israeli settlers near complete impunity to attack Palestinians, and a system that has different rules on the basis of a persons race. This is not law and order, and is in fact the opposite, as evidence by the ongoing conflict.

[KyussBishop]

Originally Posted by gigino

No, I am very much for law and order. Your friend who you admire who advocates explosive belts + shooting Israelis etc is not for the type of law and order I like. If you like his style of Islamic Jihad law there that is your preference.

You support imprisoning people for no reason at all, no trial, no charge, not even an accusation.
If you say you don't, I challenge you to condemn Israel for doing exactly that.

It's a pretty binary situation, you either support that or you don't. If you can't answer that in a straight forward manner, or if you evade/ignore that, it's a pretty clear sign you haven't got any honest argument to put forward.

[cloptrop]

Originally Posted by wes

So no trials for Palestinians. It amazing that you are so gung ho in defending a racist system where Israelis get trials (if there even arrested, as they are often not) but Palestinians do not.

Israelis get away with attacking Palestinian on a regular basis in Hebron, and nothing is done by Israel. The fact that you seem to want to resort to barbarism of having no trials is amazing.

Wes have you got proof that there isnt any Isrealis detained without charge in the whole Isreali penal system? If so Id like to see this proof, you must have a list of every Isreali in prison in Isreal. If you dont have this proof I must concurr you are finding the Isreali government guilty without a chance of charging them.

[wes]

Originally Posted by cloptrop

Wes have you got proof that there isnt any Isrealis detained without charge in the whole Isreali penal system?

I made no such claim actually. My claim was in regards to the occupied territories.

Originally Posted by cloptrop

If so Id like to see this proof, you must have a list of every Isreali in prison in Isreal.

How would that prove anything? Having a list of every Israeli in prison, wouldn't tell you whether they had a trial or not. Seriously, you really are very bad at this. You entire request is shambolic. You really didn't think this through did you? Finally, I was referring to occupied territories, and not all of Israel.

As for proof (something you have yet to provide at all):

Dual system of law

As you can see Israeli settlers are charged under Israeli civil courts, which can't intern people. Palestinians are charged under military courts that can.

Originally Posted by cloptrop

If you dont have this proof I must concurr you are finding the Isreali government guilty without a chance of charging them.

I am sorry, but I am not a court. You see a court is held to far higher standard of evidence, than a message board. To even attempt to compare the 2 is nothing short of absurd.

Your post is farce, as has you entire position. You don't believe in the need to prove anything, and then you demand proof from me. Sorry, but that is hypocrisy.

So I take you deny the existence of an unequal system of justice then? Amazing that there are people who will happily defend such a racist system.

Quick question, why does a Palestinian deserve to be judged by a far harsher system of justice? Also, why do you refuse to acknowledge the existence of this system?

Now seeing as I was so nice to answer you rather ridiculous questions, I take you will do me the courtesy of answering my not so silly question.

[cloptrop]

Wes I havnt bothered reading another multiquote report from you they tire me.
The reason I asked for the list of every isreali detainee is because if you are the detective you claim to be, and not just a wikipedia merchant , you would have started with isrealis in jail ,,,,,,,,lets call it exhibit a
If you had exhibit a I may put credibility to your account of your findings, but you dont have exhibit a , you have a wikipedia report.
We all know wiki is anti american Wes, Lay off the hash ,

SET MY PEOPLE FREE

I believe an isreali said this
His name was moses.

[wes]

Originally Posted by cloptrop

Wes I havnt bothered reading another multiquote report from you they tire me.

Ok, well I won't respond to you from here on out. You are going on my block list. You asked me a question, and you don't even do me the common courtesy of reading the answer. You also didn't do me the common courtesy of answering my questions. You also are engage in massive hypocrisy as you have not provide a single shred of proof for you farcical claims.

Originally Posted by cloptrop

The reason I asked for the list of every isreali detainee is because if you are the detective you claim to be, and not just a wikipedia merchant , you would have started with isrealis in jail ,,,,,,,,lets call it exhibit a
If you had exhibit a I may put credibility to your account of your findings,

I never claimed to be detective. You really need to stop telling lies about other posters.

Secondly, I don't need a list of every Israeli prisoner. I provided the proof you asked for (which you didn't even check, hence not even knowing where the link I posted was from). You clearly wish to deny reality, as it doesn't suit you.

Also, you are being hypocritical, as you made it clear, that no proof is needed via your support for internment without evidence.

Originally Posted by cloptrop

but you dont have exhibit a , you have a wikipedia report.

The link wasn't from Wikipedia. You didn't even click the link. You have 0 credibility at this point.

Originally Posted by cloptrop

We all know wiki is anti american Wes, Lay off the hash ,

WTF?

Originally Posted by cloptrop

I believe an isreali said this
His name was moses.

Again WTF?

[ed2hands]

He is being described as a terrorist in the New York Times:


"In today's New York Times report (2/22/12) about Khader Adnan--the Palestinian hunger striker challenging Israeli "administrative detention" practices--reporter Isabel Kershner allows this:

An Israeli official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, called the deal over Mr. Adnan "a workable arrangement" since ultimately he will be almost completing his four-month term of detention.
"We faced a dilemma," the official said. "On the one hand we did not want any harm to come to him, or the wider danger in that. On the other hand it is not healthy to set a precedent that every time a Palestinian terrorist goes on hunger strike, he gets a get-out-of-jail-free pass."

The "deal" is a reference to Israel's offer to free Adnan by mid-April.
The anonymous Israeli official is declaring Adnan a terrorist. If Israeli officials know this to be the case, they need not detain him without charge. They could bring a case against him for being a terrorist.
The Times is granting anonymity to a government official to declare Adnan is a criminal. This violates, among other things, the Times' own standards on granting anonymity.
And earlier this month the Times granted anonymity to a U.S. official who equated journalists who report on civilian casualties in Pakistan to Al-Qaeda sympathizers: "Let's be under no illusions--there are a number of elements who would like nothing more than to malign these efforts and help Al-Qaeda succeed."
Is the Times' new policy on anonymity is that it should be granted rarely, but that a special exception be granted for government officials who want to smear those who challenge their power?
http://www.fair.org/blog/2012/02/22/...cs-terrorists/

[humanji]

Originally Posted by cloptrop

I believe an isreali said this
His name was moses.

He was born in Egypt,wasn't he?