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15-02-2012, 17:03   #16
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Yeah, so long as the key is valid, whether you use a 64-bit or 32-bit install doesn't matter.

Here's the assembly item that you add to the cart.
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic...il.jsp?aid=746

Larger drives breaking down? It could come from drives with higher capacity having more platters. Drives nowadays have 1-4 platters. Less platters usually means lower power consumption so it is an advantage. It's not something that's usually listed so you have to dig around. I think that the 500GB F3 has one platter and the 1TB has two. I wouldn't be overly concerned about this - I'd be looking more at models with bad reviews or brands with poor reputation - many SSDs have been poor quality but the only outstandingly bad hard drive in recent years is Seagate's 7200.11 series.

Here's some info on hard drive return rates:
http://hdd-compare.com/en/blog/hard-...rma-statistics
http://www.behardware.com/articles/8...s-rates-5.html

Although hard drives are currently priced very high, there's no substitute for backing up your valuable data. No hard drive should be relied upon as absolutely safe.

A great near silent case is the Fractal Design Define R3 - it's around €90 though.
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=36379

That's a fairly big case; they also have a define mini, which I assume has similar features but you'd need to pair it with a smaller mATX motherboard.
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=49191

There shouldn't be too much noise from a system like that. The only thing that's there to make noise is the PSU (should be very quiet on low load and should stay quiet for that system), the CPU fan (quiet on low load but would get a bit noisier when doing work) and the case fan. I haven't used this case myself but anandtech said that it was pretty quiet. You could replace the fan later if you weren't satisfied or you can probably connect it to the motherboard to regulate the speed.

If you wanted a quieter CPU fan, the freezer pro 13 is a good choice.
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=49255
I know that HWV won't install some of the bigger heatsinks in case they damage the motherboard during shipping so you may not want this.
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Yeah, so long as the key is valid, whether you use a 64-bit or 32-bit install doesn't matter.

Here's the assembly item that you add to the cart.
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic...il.jsp?aid=746

Larger drives breaking down? It could come from drives with higher capacity having more platters. Drives nowadays have 1-4 platters. Less platters usually means lower power consumption so it is an advantage. It's not something that's usually listed so you have to dig around. I think that the 500GB F3 has one platter and the 1TB has two. I wouldn't be overly concerned about this - I'd be looking more at models with bad reviews or brands with poor reputation - many SSDs have been poor quality but the only outstandingly bad hard drive in recent years is Seagate's 7200.11 series.

Here's some info on hard drive return rates:
http://hdd-compare.com/en/blog/hard-...rma-statistics
http://www.behardware.com/articles/8...s-rates-5.html

Although hard drives are currently priced very high, there's no substitute for backing up your valuable data. No hard drive should be relied upon as absolutely safe.

A great near silent case is the Fractal Design Define R3 - it's around €90 though.
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=36379

That's a fairly big case; they also have a define mini, which I assume has similar features but you'd need to pair it with a smaller mATX motherboard.
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=49191

There shouldn't be too much noise from a system like that. The only thing that's there to make noise is the PSU (should be very quiet on low load and should stay quiet for that system), the CPU fan (quiet on low load but would get a bit noisier when doing work) and the case fan. I haven't used this case myself but anandtech said that it was pretty quiet. You could replace the fan later if you weren't satisfied or you can probably connect it to the motherboard to regulate the speed.

If you wanted a quieter CPU fan, the freezer pro 13 is a good choice.
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=49255
I know that HWV won't install some of the bigger heatsinks in case they damage the motherboard during shipping so you may not want this.
Good info there tks.
The Fractal design is a beast of a case, looks great though. If I did go for that would It work ok with the build you suggested?
I'l have to think about, the cheaper case will probably be fine for me though.

The Bitfenix beta one you suggested should be fine,the one on that link is a Bitfenix alpha. Seems to be a top vent on the Alpha one.
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic...50575&agid=631
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/artic...50576&agid=631

I think I'l stick with the CPU fan that comes with.

If I was to get a monitor, what would you suggest?
21 or 22" would be nice,
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The only difference between the alpha and the beta is the additional room for fans at the top. For some reason the alpha has been reviewed more times. The beta has a load of places for fans already, so you don't need more and airflow should be better with less random holes in the case.

The define R3 would be fine with that build. If you got the mini version, you'd need a mATX motherboard like...
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=50842

For €100, the BenQ 2225HD is a not a bad choice. Comes with 1920 x 1080 resolution and DVI connection. You can get more luxurious panels like IPS in the €100-200 range.
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=51957
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The only difference between the alpha and the beta is the additional room for fans at the top. For some reason the alpha has been reviewed more times. The beta has a load of places for fans already, so you don't need more and airflow should be better with less random holes in the case.

The define R3 would be fine with that build. If you got the mini version, you'd need a mATX motherboard like...
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=50842

For €100, the BenQ 2225HD is a not a bad choice. Comes with 1920 x 1080 resolution and DVI connection. You can get more luxurious panels like IPS in the €100-200 range.
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=51957
There seems to be less high speed usb connectors on the define R3 than the beta case.
Would this have any effect on me?

What exactly is IPS, is that LED?

I'm thinking about waiting for the ivybridge in April. Its not that far off and I'm not in a big rush really.

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You'd still have all the USB ports at the back for all the main stuff like keyboards. The ones on the case are for memory sticks that you might be using temporarily with easy access at the front.

There's different kind of LCD panels. The cheaper ones are TN which are fine for the most part. Some of them use LED backlights which is good for lower power consumption and thinner displays. They're still a TN screen though.
The IPS panels are higher quality ones which offer far better colours and viewing angles. IPS would be the ones seen in professional environments and up to recently have been very expensive, but a few consumer level ones have been released in the past year.

Info on LCD technologies & LED (first link is a technical view but the second link explains "LED" displays a bit more).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_...x_technologies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED-backlit_LCD_television

Examples of IPS screens:
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=53840
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=52290
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=52611
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/artic....jsp?aid=53650

This site is an excellent resource with extremely in-depth reviews with guides and recommendations:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/guides.php

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Going to order this pretty soon as I am not going to wait for ivybridge, it's too far away.
Think il go for the Fractal Design R3 over the Bit fenix, the dust filters seem like a handy feature and overall the case looks pretty sleek and is around the same size as the case I have now so I'm used to the size of it.

Just have to decide now if Il get a monitor or not. Its tempting. The old LG I have doesn't have widescreen or anything, not sure I need widescreen but it would look pretty nice.
Current Build with the Dearer case and 1TB HD and the PSU and Assembly is a total 617.35C then 30 euro shipping on top of that.
(Not going to bother getting any speakers, the speakers I have will be fine and the windows 7 I have should work)
Cant imagine me getting a machine like that on Dell for under 800 euro .

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Just another question the motherboard says
5 x SuperSpeed USB + 1 x FireWire + 3 x Hi-Speed USB + (2 x SuperSpeed USB + 1 x FireWire + 4 x Hi-Speed USB via headers)

Does that mean there is five usb 3.0 ports at the back?
Is USB 3.0 up and running now without any problems now, i.e. is it as fast as we are ought to believe?

This is the tv card I have.
There will be space for this in the motherboard?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hauppauge-HV.../dp/B000I1RHVQ


So this is looking like the build, thanks monotype.
Think I'l go for this monitor, it looks very nice indeed.

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LiteOn iHAS122-18 schwarz SATA€16.54
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1000GB, SATA II (HD103SJ) €99.00
8GB-Kit G.Skill PC3-10667U CL9€33.65
Intel Core i5-2500K Box, LGA1155€191.82
FRACTAL DESIGN Gehäuse DEFINE R3 Black Pearl €91.70
Ultron Cardreader 75-in-1, intern, schwarz€8.64
ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen3, Sockel 1155, ATX€93.83
Super-Flower SF450P14XE Golden Green Pro 80plus gold €62.17
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Just another question the motherboard says
5 x SuperSpeed USB + 1 x FireWire + 3 x Hi-Speed USB + (2 x SuperSpeed USB + 1 x FireWire + 4 x Hi-Speed USB via headers)

Does that mean there is five usb 3.0 ports at the back?
No, I think it's a mistake. I had a look on the website and in the manual - there's just the two. Most motherboards with USB 3 only have the two but some of the more expensive ones have additional headers on the board for more in the future. You can pick up expansion cards for €10-€20 if you found that you needed more down the line.

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Is USB 3.0 up and running now without any problems now, i.e. is it as fast as we are ought to believe?
It will be faster so long as you have a USB device to support it. For example, an external hard drive could reach speeds of 100MB/s but USB 2 could only provide around 40MB/s. If you have a USB 3 enclosure, you should get the full 100MB/s. So yes, a big difference there.

Keep in mind that you bought a USB 3 flash drive, you'll still be bound by the speed of the flash drive. For example, if it claims 70MB/s read and 30MB/s write, you'd get 40MB/s read and 30MB/s write on USB 2 while you'd be getting 70MB/s read and 30MB/s write on USB 3.

Note that any USB 2 devices used on USB 3 don't get magically faster; they have to be USB 3 themselves (although I did see some tests done and there were slight increases on occasion).

External hard drives are the same as internal drives so you could replace the enclosure with a USB 3 one (although this could void the warranty).

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This is the tv card I have.
There will be space for this in the motherboard?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hauppauge-HV.../dp/B000I1RHVQ
Should be fine so long as it's compatible with windows 7.
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Thanks for that.
I see the monitor I am thinking of getting has speakers inside it, in your opinion is that more of a drawback than a benefit? I think I would rather leave the sound to my speakers.
Also what size of a monitor would you recommend, do you think 24" is far too big? I never worked on a widescreen before so I am not familiar with them.
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Moving to a widescreen is quite a change, but after a while, you'll get used to it. I had a 22" for about two years, but then I switched to a 24" IPS monitor, and I've never looked back.
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I just moved to a WS monitor (going from 17" FS to 23" WS) and it was a massive jump - also in the brightness, my old dell monitor was a decade old. Took a few days to get used to it; now when using my old computer, i think there's something really wrong with the aspect ratio, i started changing the resolution and everything as i thought it was too narrow!

I'm v happy w/ 23", as a monitor i think it's great for editing. when i sit back and play (Skyrim) i do think it's a bit small so i cable out to the telly.
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Any time I went up in monitor size, it's been a shock for the first week or two but you get used to it quickly and other ones look weird. 23'' is a good size for today's needs.

In the past, I've found that integrated speakers have been poor quality. However, there's no need to use the speakers in the monitor if that's the one that you like.
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Any time I went up in monitor size, it's been a shock for the first week or two but you get used to it quickly and other ones look weird. 23'' is a good size for today's needs.

In the past, I've found that integrated speakers have been poor quality. However, there's no need to use the speakers in the monitor if that's the one that you like.
Thanks, So is there an option to turn off the speakers in the monitor?
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Just don't connect in the audio cable. That's if you're using DVI. I'm sure you'd be able to disable it if you're using HDMI and the sound goes through that. I'm sure a lot of people would be unhappy if you couldn't!
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After much thought, I am going to go for this one. Ergonomically sound and very nice to look at.
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I was drifting towards a LG Flatron IPS235V but I'm just not fan of the foot of the LG monitors and I heard that model in particular was quite shaky.
That seems to be all ready, will order the PC Build in the morning, looking forward to this beast of a PC
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