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09-02-2012, 17:57   #1
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€14.56m Spent so far (Not including basic wages) on policing 'Shell to Sea'

http://www.thejournal.ie/over-e14-5m...50396-Feb2012/

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THE GARDAÍ HAVE spent over €14.5 million on the policing operation at the controversial Shell refinery project in Mayo over the last five years, it has emerged.
The figures do not include the basic salaries for Gardaí on duty at the protest site in north Mayo which means the actual cost of policing the protests is higher.
Campaigners from the Shell to Sea organisation have been protesting against the construction of the Corrib gas pipeline for the past seven years.
The Minister for Justice Alan Shatter said that the €14,566,262 in additional costs incurred by the Gardaí between December 2006 and December of last year was “deeply regrettable” and described the protests as “scandalous”.
The details come from an answer to a parliamentary question tabled by Sinn Féin TD Peadar Tóibin.
The €14.5 million figure is broken down into overtime and allowances, travel and subsistence, employers PRSI, and miscellaneous expenses incurred by the Gardaí over the past five years in dealing with protesters.
The figures show that €913,729 was spent in additional costs last year. This was up from €620,326 spent in 2010 but down significantly on the 2009 figure of €3.5 million.
In 2007, nearly €5 million in additional costs were incurred by Gardaí including €2.7 million on overtime and allowances and nearly €2 million on travel and subsistence.
The protests have been notable for the sizeable Garda presence with numerous allegations from protesters that they have been assaulted including one by a Socialist Party MEP last August.
This table given in the answer by the Minister for Justice provides detail of the costs incurred:

“It is scandalous that some protesters behave in a self indulgent way that has no regard for the rights of others,” Shatter said.
“In turn, this requires the expenditure of a substantial amount of taxpayers’ money which could be devoted to far better purposes if it was not for the actions of many of those involved in the protests.”
The protests centre on the Corrib gas project which entails the extraction of natural gas off the northwest coast of Ireland by the oil company Shell.
The construction of the gas pipeline through the area at Bellinaboy in north Mayo has drawn protest from the Shell to Sea group which argues that the pipeline poses a risk to local residents.
A spokesperson for the Shell to Sea campaign told TheJournal.ie: “Again the Minister is doing what his predeccessor has done in blaming the protesters for what’s happening.
“The fact is the behaviour of the police runs contrary to the national interest,” he claimed while going on to say that there what was happening was at Bellinaboy was “blatant economic treason.”
An Garda Siochána said it would not be appropriate to comment on remarks made by the Minister for Justice.
Shatter added that it was not possible to project what future costs would be incurred by the policing operations at the Shell refinery as the level of protest activity fluctuates.

A spokesperson for StS was on TV3 news there and when questioned, "Do you see why people might be angry about this?" he replied, "Ehm.....not really.."

I don't think these guys represent the national interest at all, or even a significant portion of it. Most definitely not 14.56 million euros worth. With their ongoing protest in Mayo and parts of Dublin and Galway being "occupied" to the detriment of local businesses what, if anything, can be done? Are we simply forced to pay, to grin and bear it, for the sake of freedom of protest? No matter how little support it has?
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A spokesperson for StS was on TV3 news there and when questioned, "Do you see why people might be angry about this?" he replied, "Ehm.....not really.."

I don't think these guys represent the national interest at all, or even a significant portion of it. Most definitely not 14.56 million euros worth. With their ongoing protest in Mayo and parts of Dublin and Galway being "occupied" to the detriment of local businesses what, if anything, can be done? Are we simply forced to pay, to grin and bear it, for the sake of freedom of protest? No matter how little support it has?
When i first read this I thought you where making it up. You weren't. Skip to 1:34 in the link. Outrageous.

http://www.tv3.ie/news.php?request=&...w=&video=45240
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When i first read this I thought you where making it up. You weren't. Skip to 1:34 in the link. Outrageous.

http://www.tv3.ie/news.php?request=&...w=&video=45240
It's worse when you see the way he said it.
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It's worse when you see the way he said it.
Not a bit of it.....Quite an impressive entry into young Criostóir's activist CV I should imagine....Image is everything these days,only thing missing from the interview was a suitable tent to peer out from.
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Well I am sure the Gardai "are lovin it", all that overtime etc. Shell should be made to pay for some of the policing, IMO, just like football clubs in the UK have to pay for some of the policing, not that the protesters are right to disrupt a lawful activity, despite it being unacceptable to many.
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Well I am sure the Gardai "are lovin it", all that overtime etc. Shell should be made to pay for some of the policing, IMO, just like football clubs in the UK have to pay for some of the policing, not that the protesters are right to disrupt a lawful activity, despite it being unacceptable to many.
Well, usually a protest starts and then the public either get behind it and something happens or dismiss it and nothing happens. Then everyone goes home. In the case of 'Shell to Sea' the public have most definitely dismissed it as a cause, yet the protesters are still hanging around with nothing better to do.

Is it because we are far too light in tackling unlawful behaviour such as this? Are we going to have lads camped outside our Central Bank for the next 5 years?
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Well I am sure the Gardai "are lovin it", all that overtime etc. Shell should be made to pay for some of the policing, IMO, just like football clubs in the UK have to pay for some of the policing, not that the protesters are right to disrupt a lawful activity, despite it being unacceptable to many.
Well that's the problem, it's a lawful activity Shell are doing.

If a mob turned up and started attacking my house, should I have to pay the police?

It's a disgrace, 14 million spent on a group of thugs who have no respect for law or democracy. The worst thing is they're laughing at us and are moving on to other "causes" in the country.
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Well that's the problem, it's a lawful activity Shell are doing.

If a mob turned up and started attacking my house, should I have to pay the police?

It's a disgrace, 14 million spent on a group of thugs who have no respect for law or democracy. The worst thing is they're laughing at us and are moving on to other "causes" in the country.
Well, that's what a democracy means, freedom of expression, lawful of course. It seems a bit ridiculous that the protesters do not appear to get the message that the project is going ahead, and will continue despite their protests. Maybe they will move on to the anti-household charge protests, as there is a bit of mileage in that still?
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Well, that's what a democracy means, freedom of expression, lawful of course. It seems a bit ridiculous that the protesters do not appear to get the message that the project is going ahead, and will continue despite their protests. Maybe they will move on to the anti-household charge protests, as there is a bit of mileage in that still?
If it was a law-abiding protest, there would be no need for the gardai. Unfortunately, the actions of the protesters over the last few years has resulted in this bill for the taxpayer.

They are a disgrace.
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Its all been said by the keyboard warriors before:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2056544352
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2056544831

Why not just send the bill to Shell? It is their site after all...
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Why not just send the bill to Shell? It is their site after all...
exactly
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It's no secret that there is an underlying problem of career protesters in this country. Minister Shatter referred to them as participating in "protest tourism". The same people who are attacking Gardai at the Corrib site are the same ones camping on Dame st and who attacked American military planes at Shannon.

What can we do about it? It's a touchy subject as the freedom to protest is a cornerstone of a democracy. However, a lot of these protesters are involved in criminal activity. Vandalising American military planes is a crime. Attacking Gardai is a crime. Those camped out on Dame street should be made undergo tests for illegal drugs in their system. Their dole should be cut too - how can they be actively seeking work if they spend all day shouting at passers-by through a megaphone? Protesting is fine but not when it's costing the taxpayer over 14million euro. Action must be taken now.
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It's no secret that there is an underlying problem of career protesters in this country. Minister Shatter referred to them as participating in "protest tourism". The same people who are attacking Gardai at the Corrib site are the same ones camping on Dame st and who attacked American military planes at Shannon.

What can we do about it? It's a touchy subject as the freedom to protest is a cornerstone of a democracy. However, a lot of these protesters are involved in criminal activity. Vandalising American military planes is a crime. Attacking Gardai is a crime. Those camped out on Dame street should be made undergo tests for illegal drugs in their system. Their dole should be cut too - how can they be actively seeking work if they spend all day shouting at passers-by through a megaphone? Protesting is fine but not when it's costing the taxpayer over 14million euro. Action must be taken now.
I agree with everything you said apart from that, at least we have some people making a stand against the stupid situation in this country. As far as i know it was mainly students, however i dont care if it was doleheads or homeless people( no offence to any group ), more should be done in protest to the current $h*t thats being forced on this country, problem is most of us are trying to get by, have to work and cant go on protests, well at least until.............the inevitable.
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What can we do about it? It's a touchy subject as the freedom to protest is a cornerstone of a democracy.
There is no problem with peaceful and legal protests in this country, the only reason STS has cost us 14 million is that they turned violent. We're going to see the same thing in Leitrim, we've seen violence in Glen of the Downs and we've seen violence in Shannon. In fairness to the Dame Street people at least they are non-violent, but they are still occupying private property and breaking the quite reasonable law.

I see this as a straight forward policing and justice problem - I've seen first hand how the French police would react to this.

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There is no problem with peaceful and legal protests in this country, the only reason STS has cost us 14 million is that they turned violent. We're going to see the same thing in Leitrim, we've seen violence in Glen of the Downs and we've seen violence in Shannon.
Compare those to the policing required to remove the M3 protesters at Tara, a site with actual national importance (from a historical perspective).

Apart from the person who (I think dug) a hole in the ground (destruction of property) there was none of the outrageous breaches of the peace that have been happening at other sites.
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