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smash · 10-02-2012, 10:02

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Originally Posted by S.M.B.

Our web designers here have little/zero knowledge of coding. I'm in the UI team so that's all our responsibility.

What do they do then? Mock up layouts?

S.M.B. · 10-02-2012, 12:57

Pretty much. They work with an IA to create mock ups and design assets across all our sites (we're not a web design agency). Together they also oversee any UX work that has to be done.

Same with all the London agencies I worked at. There was always a bigger divide between the designers and those developing the sites. They were always just straight up designers.

Placebo · 10-02-2012, 13:04

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Originally Posted by smash

What do they do then? Mock up layouts?

Why is that so hard to believe ? http://ebow.ie/ have a couple of sole designers too and separate developers.

smash · 10-02-2012, 13:05

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Originally Posted by S.M.B.

Pretty much. They work with an IA to create mock ups and design assets across all our sites (we're not a web design agency). Together they also oversee any UX work that has to be done.

Same with all the London agencies I worked at. There was always a bigger divide between the designers and those developing the sites. They were always just straight up designers.

So they're graphic designers, not web designers... Because essentially they just design graphics, not websites.

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Originally Posted by Placebo

Why is that so hard to believe ? http://ebow.ie/ have a couple of sole designers too and separate developers.

I know who ebow are. And I find it hard to believe because every web designer I know, can code. Otherwise they're just graphic designers and work for print, I don't see any good reason for a web design company to have a designer that can't code.

Pixelcraft · 10-02-2012, 14:04

I can code front end, but when I'm working in agencies I never do the front end - the knowledge is still beneficial so I'm not designing something that's impossible to develop.

The last thing an agency would want is to pull their designers and get them coding, unless they've only one project on!

If you think graphic design for print is the same as digital and the only difference is knowing how to code you're really, really mistaken

BostonB · 10-02-2012, 14:07

The terminology is used interchangeably like designer, developer, web, graphic, UI etc. When it really isn't all the same by definition, or for that matter in the real world. Sometime you might be doing overlapping roles. So I wouldn't get too wrapped up in the titles.

The only way to define a role or a persons experience is to see what they have done or do on a daily basis. Also the roles change over the years. what I did as a web designer/developer 10yrs ago wouldn't count for very much these days. The industry has moved on. You need to look and see what skillsets jobs are asking for. Thats really what defines the roles.

**Goodshape** · 10-02-2012, 14:10

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Originally Posted by smash

And I find it hard to believe because every web designer I know, can code.

And that's fantastic for you but I'm honestly finding it hard to believe your unwillingness to grasp that that simply isn't the only option.

A code/designer is great for so many things --- but it's not the only option.

smash · 10-02-2012, 14:23

No it's not the only option, but by not learning then your limiting yourself a lot. I know a lot of graphic designers out of business or who have been made redundant. Then again, they all work in print, but still, I've never met a web designer who doesn't code. It doesn't make sense to me that someone would be offered a position like that, and I've never seen one advertised either. But I guess it happens.

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Originally Posted by Pixelcraft

If you think graphic design for print is the same as digital and the only difference is knowing how to code you're really, really mistaken

As a general rule I find that web designers can design for print. Print designers can't design for web. they don't have the discipline or understanding of how it's going to be coded.

Pixelcraft · 10-02-2012, 14:28

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Originally Posted by smash

As a general rule I find that web designers can design for print. Print designers can't design for web. they don't have the discipline or understanding of how it's going to be coded.

What I'm saying is that there's more to web/interaction design than knowing how to code up your designs. You need to think about the UX, design systems etc.

Also you're wrong about web designers knowing how to design for print - there's many technicalities that would be an expensive mistake on press if you didn't understand the process of production.

smash · 10-02-2012, 14:34

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Originally Posted by Pixelcraft

What I'm saying is that there's more to web/interaction design than knowing how to code up your designs. You need to think about the UX, design systems etc.

And as I said earlier. I've been doing it for 12 years now.

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Originally Posted by Pixelcraft

Also you're wrong about web designers knowing how to design for print - there's many technicalities that would be an expensive mistake on press if you didn't understand the process of production.

From this, I'm talking about layouts and knowledge of the applications like illustrator, indesign etc. I'm not talking about colour spaces or advanced printing techniques. The bottom line of what I'm saying is that a web designer can take a blank canvas that doesn't need many rules applied and design something on it that could be printed. A print designer finds it very difficult to take a blank canvas and created a design within constraints of what the final product should be.

mhge · 10-02-2012, 14:45

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Originally Posted by smash

No it's not the only option, but by not learning then your limiting yourself a lot. I know a lot of graphic designers out of business or who have been made redundant. Then again, they all work in print, but still, I've never met a web designer who doesn't code. It doesn't make sense to me that someone would be offered a position like that, and I've never seen one advertised either. But I guess it happens.

Depends on the size of the team, simples. The bigger the team and projects, the more specialized roles you have. Where it's really specialised you will have dedicated folks for screenflows/wireframes and completely different folks for graphics and mockups, and the coding hasn't even started.

IrishFeeney92 · 10-02-2012, 16:34

so to summarize lads....what do i need to do/learn/get qualified at to succeed in the buisness that i wish to go into??

cormee · 10-02-2012, 16:55

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Originally Posted by Placebo

Why is that so hard to believe ? http://ebow.ie/ have a couple of sole designers too and separate developers.

Webfactory.ie too

BarackPyjama · 10-02-2012, 19:28

Most of the best web designers I know don't code. Personally the thought of a designer coding scares me. I know some designers know front end code but not many are good at it. It's a technical skill.

cormee · 11-02-2012, 00:19

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Originally Posted by feeney92

so to summarize lads....what do i need to do/learn/get qualified at to succeed in the buisness that i wish to go into??

I think everyone agrees you need to be able to design. Beyond that it all gets a bit Greece/IMF'y

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10-02-2012, 12:57	#62
S.M.B. Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,037 Adverts \| Friends	Pretty much. They work with an IA to create mock ups and design assets across all our sites (we're not a web design agency). Together they also oversee any UX work that has to be done. Same with all the London agencies I worked at. There was always a bigger divide between the designers and those developing the sites. They were always just straight up designers.

10-02-2012, 14:04	#65
Pixelcraft Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dublin Posts: 730 Adverts \| Friends	I can code front end, but when I'm working in agencies I never do the front end - the knowledge is still beneficial so I'm not designing something that's impossible to develop. The last thing an agency would want is to pull their designers and get them coding, unless they've only one project on! If you think graphic design for print is the same as digital and the only difference is knowing how to code you're really, really mistaken

10-02-2012, 14:07	#66
BostonB Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,660 Adverts \| Friends	The terminology is used interchangeably like designer, developer, web, graphic, UI etc. When it really isn't all the same by definition, or for that matter in the real world. Sometime you might be doing overlapping roles. So I wouldn't get too wrapped up in the titles. The only way to define a role or a persons experience is to see what they have done or do on a daily basis. Also the roles change over the years. what I did as a web designer/developer 10yrs ago wouldn't count for very much these days. The industry has moved on. You need to look and see what skillsets jobs are asking for. Thats really what defines the roles.

10-02-2012, 16:34	#72
IrishFeeney92 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Dublin,Eire Posts: 879 Adverts \| Friends	so to summarize lads....what do i need to do/learn/get qualified at to succeed in the buisness that i wish to go into??

10-02-2012, 19:28	#74
BarackPyjama Closed Account Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 961 Adverts \| Friends	Most of the best web designers I know don't code. Personally the thought of a designer coding scares me. I know some designers know front end code but not many are good at it. It's a technical skill.