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09-02-2012, 16:22   #46
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why would Companies want to move into HTML 5 ?
For mobile development.

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Ajax mySql etc
Not a web design job.
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Which I stated, needs to be backed up by a real revenue producing product for when work begins to dry up. That's why so many of them close down.
...and we're back to my original reply - their design skills are their products, they are (web) design agencies, not software houses. No need to reply, this could go on all week.

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...and we're back to my original reply - their design skills are their products, they are (web) design agencies, not software houses.
And were back to my point about it not being enough and that's why so many of them close down.
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If you're great a designing layouts in Photoshop but can't code them up then you're better off going into print design because it doesn't cut it in fast paced environments.
If your idea of designing an interactive online user experience is "layouts in Photoshop" then yeah, you'd better have some additional skills.
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With if compaines start using HTML 5 it will cut alot of people off just like Sites using Flash waste of time, CSS 3 is the same,
Design inclusively, make sure your design degrades gracefully, and functionality isn't lost on older browsers, you should be doing that anyway.
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If your idea of designing an interactive online user experience is "layouts in Photoshop" then yeah, you'd better have some additional skills.
Well if you're a designer and not a front-end developer then there's not much else to do.
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Safari doesn't support HTML 5 video..

Android supports flash still but has moved into html5 as I said it will take ablest 2 years
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Well if you're a designer and not a front-end developer then there's not much else to do.
Perhaps for the lower end work but if you want to advance beyond that I think there's a lot more to a designers job (as distinct from a front-end or back-end developer) than Photoshop layouts. And there's room for specialization.
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Can you give me exapmles?
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Can you give me exapmles?
A List Apart have separate sections dedicated to Code, Content, Design and User Science, among others.

That to my mind includes three areas a "web designer" could concentrate on aside from being a Code master.

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Visual communication, art direction. Designing systems or interfaces to help users achieve goals. Graphic design, interface design, user experience design, typography, illustration, photography, artwork. Creative and technical techniques for crafting great interfaces. Developing an appropriate look and feel. How web users respond to design. Identity systems and brand development. Visual styles, influences, and trends. Includes: Graphic Design, User Interface Design, Typography, Layout, Web Fonts.
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Markup, style, scripting, and server-side techniques in the service of user-centric interfaces and tools. Cross-browser XHTML, CSS, and JavaScript. Roll your own X using scripting or markup language Y. Producing clearer, saner, more secure code that plays well with others. The love/hate relationship between layout and markup. Workarounds for that irritating bug and why (or why not) to use them. Includes: Browsers, CSS, Flash, HTML and XHTML, Scripting, Server Side, XML, HTML5.

For a lot of jobs in a lot of agencies you're going to need a decent grasp of both areas but to be a master at one, I wouldn't necessarily expect you to master the other.

Depends on your goals, and the opportunities around you. A one-for-all is certainly the more budget-friendly option for smaller businesses and startups, and usually enough for an agency or brochure-website freelancer. The industry has more to offer than that though, for the career minded.

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To be honest, that all sounds very art school. For me, a web designer must be able to take a client's brief and create usable and visually aesthetic sample. Upon sign off, the web designer must be able to code a valid working, SEO friendly, cross browser compatible version and then if necessary, integrate it into a CMS. This is what companies want.

It is not a web designer's job to take photographs or write content either.
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Well, yes. Art school -- exactly.

It used to be that websites were made exclusively by coders and hackers. Computer nerds. They made great things like GeoCities and MySpace. Famously Google's homepage was so bare not for aesthetic love of whitespace, the developers simply didn't "do" design.

I think that has to an extent, and certainly is, changing. Web sites are becoming web apps, users are demanding better visual experiences and interfaces and in addition to that, target platforms now come in all shapes and sizes, new technologies and languages are popping up every day... to really be on top of your game in all these areas is asking a lot.

There is now and will increasingly be, in my opinion, the need for specialists.


(there is also the need for someone who can just hunker down and produce a website "single handedly"... not all homes are mansions... I'm just saying it's not the only option for a career in "web design").
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It's not asking that much. Move forward or get left behind. I've been at it for 12 years and never stop adjusting to the trends.

Fortunately for me, I have a good team who do the same.
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Safari doesn't support HTML 5 video..
Yes it does.
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I just doesn't support WebM isn't it?

Our web designers here have little/zero knowledge of coding. I'm in the UI team so that's all our responsibility.
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