[zerks]

Originally Posted by cast_iron

And what's the problem with any of that?

This crowd are wanting door to door reps to sell saorview which is not allowed by RTE.
They can sell 3.Airtricity or whatever to their hearts content but saorview is meant to be a big no no

[Peter Rhea]

Originally Posted by scaller

There is a crowd on Donedeal recruiting for sales people in all areas to sell 3 mobile; saorview ;airtricity and gas full training provided . . .

The last one of those types that turned up on my doorstep must have been the most pitiful excuse for a salesman I've come across; I can't even remember what he was pushing.

Obviously people are so desperate for jobs they'll take on the likes of this despite the lack of any aptitude for selling & what this says for their interest level or knowledge of the 'product' I can only wonder.

[veyron]

i have seen and know a company selling saorview door to door in wexford the individual is a complete idiot and anyone who works for him either doesnt get paid and gets shafted somewhere along the line, saorview were made aware of his antics but only as recently as last week i heard he is still at it and basically giving two fingers to everyone, he previously did sky door to door and was nicknamed the churn and burn king of the south east, for the life of me i cant understand why action cant be taken against him and he:s equals, as for his installers dont get me started untrained and dont care what they do,its this crap the winds me up

[zerks]

He wouldn't be from near Ballywilliam by any chance?

[cast_iron]

Originally Posted by zerks

This crowd are wanting door to door reps to sell saorview which is not allowed by RTE.
They can sell 3.Airtricity or whatever to their hearts content but saorview is meant to be a big no no

While I'm no fan or door to door sales tactics, I'm not aware of it being illegal.

And I'm not aware of any policy that Saorview can't be sold door to door.

Sure, you can't represent yourself as being from Saorview or being Saorview authorised, but you can go door to door and sell an aerial setup for Saorview. I've not seen any evidence that this donedeal.ie crowd are doing any wrong.

[veyron]

he sure would zerks you have come across him so

[Navarre]

Originally Posted by veyron

he sure would zerks you have come across him so

Every Legit installer in County has heard of Him. All you would have to do is look at his Adds on the Net for Door to Door selling from him.

[veyron]

cast iron
saorview have categorically said that saorview cant be sold door to door, how many people do u know who would buy an aerial setup at the door ? these people that are selling are piggy backing on the saorview name and are preying on peoples lack of knowledge of whats going on there is certain regulations about selling door to door as i have heard of a big company selling door to door a lot in dublin and basically bullying people into buying combi boxes there was war on 2 fm awhile back and the BAI got involved and the consumers right organization the poper name has left me some one can correct me on that .

[Navarre]

To sell Saorview approved products to the public you would have to be registered and approved by RTE/Saorview as a retailer.
For any body who thinks that Door to Door selling of Saorview is approved or Legal. Ask saorview brian or contact saorview directly http://www.saorview.ie/contact/
http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-swit...d-avoid-scams/

Be safe. Neither SAORVIEW nor RTÉ will ever send anyone to your door to check your television or aerial.
Neither SAORVIEW nor RTÉ has commissioned or endorsed any door-to-door sales activities under the SAORVIEW or RTÉ brands. The SAORVIEW logo is not permitted for use by any direct sales companies. Any approach from door-to-door sellers purporting to be acting for SAORVIEW is categorically not endorsed by SAORVIEW.

http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-swit...d-avoid-scams/

[Navarre]

Originally Posted by veyron

cast iron
saorview have categorically said that saorview cant be sold door to door, how many people do u know who would buy an aerial setup at the door ? these people that are selling are piggy backing on the saorview name and are preying on peoples lack of knowledge of whats going on there is certain regulations about selling door to door as i have heard of a big company selling door to door a lot in dublin and basically bullying people into buying combi boxes there was war on 2 fm awhile back and the BAI got involved and the consumers right organization the poper name has left me some one can correct me on that .

Yep its here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2056403779

[zerks]

Crystal Ball time: A year from now we get multiple threads from people with problems such as "my aerial fell down,who do I contact?" or "I was charged €400 for a saorview install and it doesn't work".

The amount of ignorance among the general public due to a mixture of poor information from RTE etc. and the usual way people zone out when anything new or technical is being discussed has left the public ripe for the picking from unscrupulous guys.
A quick scan through Donedeal etc. gives some idea of the scale of the issue.

Imagine if all these guys were installing electrical or plumbing services,we'd have uproar and a clampdown.

That guy Veyron mentioned has ruined the Sky trade in Wexford,he sent out reps to sell,sell,sell and has left behind a lot of mistrust among the general public regarding Sky tv.People see the Sky logo and don't differentiate between a reseller & Sky themselves,so if the reseller dirties his bib then automatically Sky are perceived to be the bad guys.Saorview is heading down that slope but there is a chance for the powers that be to put a halt to it.

Anyone approved should be forced to carry official saorview id when doing installs and if they are just retailers who subby out the installs then their installers should work under the same rule.That way old mrs. Murphy can be sure she's getting a reputable professional to do the job and not just a guy with a ladder who'll walk away with her money and no come-back.

[Bruthal]

Originally Posted by zerks

Imagine if all these guys were installing electrical or plumbing services,we'd have uproar and a clampdown.

There is just as much cowboy work in them areas as well. The electrical im involved in myself, some of the things seen would defy belief.

[cast_iron]

Originally Posted by scaller

To sell Saorview approved products to the public you would have to be registered and approved by RTE/Saorview as a retailer.

Really? Where do they state this?

For any body who thinks that Door to Door selling of Saorview is approved or Legal. Ask saorview brian or contact saorview directly http://www.saorview.ie/contact/
http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-swit...d-avoid-scams/

There's no need. Here's what Saorview have to say on the matter (from Saorview's website):

There may be genuine door-to-door sales people in your area offering legitimate services associated with digital switchover. As with any stranger appearing on your doorstep, please exercise caution when dealing with any person offering to install a set-top-box or suggesting you need a new aerial installation*.

So yes, door to door sales are legal. Trying to indicate otherwise without qualification is wrong and misleading.

[Navarre]

Ask Saorview brian is Door to Door selling of Saorview Legal or not.

Or better still ask the head man Ray Maguire from RTE can people sell Saorview to the general public with out going through the Approval and registration Process
or can sales reps go door to door selling Saorview.
http://www.saorview.ie/contact/

The 1st part of that paragraph on the saorview site http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-swit...d-avoid-scams/
Neither SAORVIEW nor RTÉ has commissioned or endorsed any door-to-door sales activities under the SAORVIEW or RTÉ brands. The SAORVIEW logo is not permitted for use by any direct sales companies. Any approach from door-to-door sellers purporting to be acting for SAORVIEW is categorically not endorsed by SAORVIEW.

We are aware of a small number of people misrepresenting themselves as employees of RTÉ or SAORVIEW. Some of these people may be wearing clothing with the RTÉ or SAORVIEW logos, these people are not employees or agents of RTÉ or SAORVIEW. Appropriate action is being taken against anyone misusing either brand to further their sales activities.

Door to Door selling of anything else is not the topic here.
Guys can go out and sell Sky,FTA, BB Airtricity or Gas if they want.
what is misleading is guys going door to door selling Saorview to people who don't need it or selling Combi boxes as Saorview boxes.

[cast_iron]

Originally Posted by scaller

Ask Saorview brian is Door to Door selling of Saorview Legal or not.

Or better still ask the head man Ray Maguire from RTE can people sell Saorview to the general public with out going through the Approval and registration Process
or can sales reps go door to door selling Saorview.
http://www.saorview.ie/contact/

There's no need to ask anyone. It's all on the website as you say.

The 1st part of that paragraph on the saorview site http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-swit...d-avoid-scams/
Neither SAORVIEW nor RTÉ has commissioned or endorsed any door-to-door sales activities under the SAORVIEW or RTÉ brands. The SAORVIEW logo is not permitted for use by any direct sales companies. Any approach from door-to-door sellers purporting to be acting for SAORVIEW is categorically not endorsed by SAORVIEW.

We are aware of a small number of people misrepresenting themselves as employees of RTÉ or SAORVIEW. Some of these people may be wearing clothing with the RTÉ or SAORVIEW logos, these people are not employees or agents of RTÉ or SAORVIEW. Appropriate action is being taken against anyone misusing either brand to further their sales activities.

You are incorrect if you think this means door to door selling is not allowed. It clearly states that Saorview has not:
"commissioned or endorsed any door-to-door sales activities under the SAORVIEW or RTÉ brands."

In other words, door to door selling is not allowed IF they are claiming to be from Saorview or RTE, as they are most certainly not Saorview or RTE employees. Like it or not, any Tom, Dick or Harry can sell a Saorview aerial setup door to door. So can you and I if we feel like it.

what is misleading is guys going door to door selling Saorview to people who don't need it or selling Combi boxes as Saorview boxes.

Agreed.

And do you have a link to where:
"To sell Saorview approved products to the public you would have to be registered and approved by RTE/Saorview as a retailer."