[skelliser]

so he is still going ahead with it.

hes taking everyones opinions on board but there wrong.

well thats that

[MOH]

Originally Posted by AdamD

I don't know much about how these things work so would appreciate some help;

How is this supposed to get passed? Does it get voted on? Because even within the TDs he seems on his own here, surely if he still proceeds to pass this, democracy is out the window.

He just signs it. There is no democracy.

[PJTierney]

And that's that, let's see where it goes from here.

[Jev/N]

Originally Posted by AdamD

I don't know much about how these things work so would appreciate some help;

How is this supposed to get passed? Does it get voted on? Because even within the TDs he seems on his own here, surely if he still proceeds to pass this, democracy is out the window.

If it is kept in its current form - a Statutory Instrument (secondary legislation) - he can just sign it and its law. No debate. No vote. Nothing

[wiseguy]

"we are not changing the wording"

I wont forget that come next election local or national
Do you hear me Labour (and FG for that matter) scum?

[Jev/N]

Did he just say at the end that he wasn't going to change the wording?

Has he not learned anything from the past few weeks? What is the point in any of these debates or proposed meetings if he's just shut his ears from Day 1?

[Voy]

Can't really see the point in him consulting with the technical group and their legal team if he's not going to make any changes anyway.

[wiseguy]

Originally Posted by Jev/N

Did he just say at the end that he wasn't going to change the wording?

Has he not learned anything from the past few weeks? What is the point in any of these debates or proposed meetings if he's just shut his ears from Day 1?

He did in his concluding sentence

Here you go people "democracy" at work.

[DeVore]

I envy the people of Wicklow. Well done Stephen Donnelly (and to be fair, Catherine Murphy and Willie O'Dea too)... they've done their bit. Lets see if we can help things along ... stay tuned. We're not shutting down of course btw... Not while there is a red cent in my pocket or breath in my body.

[skelliser]

Originally Posted by DeVore

I envy the people of Wicklow. Well done Stephen Donnelly (and to be fair, Catherine Murphy and Willie O'Dea too)... they've done their bit. Lets see if we can help things along ... stay tuned.

If Stephen Donnellys claim that boards will close is correct well then its time the boards team went public thru the news media.
Time to ring up RTE!!

[AlmightyCushion]

Originally Posted by skelliser

If Stephen Donnellys claim that boards will close is correct well then its time the boards team went public thru the news media.
Time to ring up RTE!!

It's not a guaranteed fact. If this gets signed into law tomorrow, it's not as if boards will be taken offline. It certainly is a possibility that boards could be blocked thanks to this idiotic law.

[DeVore]

You think the existing media *like* us?? We allow people to talk back to them. To criticise them. To point out their cosy relationships. We feed from the same trough of advertisers. They'd be glad to see that thorn out of their side.

Anyway, its a long road and we're prepared for this fight. In some ways now, we're immune after that debate... which Big Content is going to be the first up to be brave enough to injunct us now?


Want some irony?? Realistically we are fighting for the sites who would compete with us. We're fighting for the little "boards's's" of the future.

[MOH]

Depressing side note - in a debate on legislation which could have severe implications for privacy issues:

a) only 9 TDs spoke, by my count
b) 6 of those have websites which are in breach of data protection requirements by not providing a privacy statement. Two others didn't have any kind of contact form, and the last one seemed to only have a party website, which did have a privacy statement.

[Citizen_Kane]

Originally Posted by DeVore

You think the existing media *like* us?? We allow people to talk back to them. To criticise them. To point out their cosy relationships. We feed from the same trough of advertisers. They'd be glad to see that thorn out of their side.

Anyway, its a long road and we're prepared for this fight. In some ways now, we're immune after that debate... which Big Content is going to be the first up to be brave enough to injunct us now?


Want some irony?? Realistically we are fighting for the sites who would compete with us. We're fighting for the little "boards's's" of the future.

I am busy building a small start-up using Free and Open Source Software. Frankly, I am more than concerned that big players like Microsoft could abuse this Instrument.

Software patent and copyright litigation is a multi-million international business composed mostly of spurious claims and counter claims.

If they were to seek an injunction against IP addresses which provide for eg. Linux updates and security patches (which they could as they already claim about 200 infringing lines of code in Linux kernel) I could be dead in the water.

[Spacedog]

Originally Posted by Jev/N

If it is kept in its current form - a Statutory Instrument (secondary legislation) - he can just sign it and its law. No debate. No vote. Nothing

Does if have to be ratified by the Seanad?

If so then they are the next port of call, it is their role to stop elected governments doing stupid stuff like this.

If not, then Seanad reform is needed. Not FG policy of abolishment, but a democratic entity with increased powers to act of a safety net in the case of a lone wolf TD passing bad legislation without consensus or resolution to the debate.

Sherlock basically finished the debate by saying "I've listened to everyone, now fuck you all, I said before the discussion, I'm signing it anyway" and bolted for the door.