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27-01-2012, 12:44   #46
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Which they should have been fully aware of when they made the choice to build in the country.
They were - it's included in the cost of building the dwelling.

So why are they being asked to pay up even more despite any evidence that they are polluting?
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I have an waste-treatment plant which was 5x more expensive than septic tank to install
and costs 170 a year to inspect during the yearly inspection.

Will I have to pay again for someone else to examine it?
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So why are they being asked to pay up even more despite any evidence that they are polluting?
Studys have shown that a large number of them are polluting, hence the EU order to ensure they get inspected.

Ensuring something works and repairing it if not is part of the maintainence people should have budgeted to cover.
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Studys have shown that a large number of them are polluting, hence the EU order to ensure they get inspected.

Ensuring something works and repairing it if not is part of the maintainence people should have budgeted to cover.
Could you link on those studies, thanks.

Most human activities can impact the environment. For these tanks, are they of such that it would have that adverse consequences?
That would could be classed as polluting to a degree that would harm health.
That given the differing geology in Ireland, is a nation wide scheme needed.

Furthermore, the EU has core competances, one being the environment. However, in the context of the EU project, this historical should be targeted at the industrial base and not the common citizens, thus IMHO they overstep their authority.
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Funny thing is there seem to be a lot of protestors from Galway in particular. Do they not remember crypto, and what caused it.

This is a modest charge (which is subsidised) to save people from being poisoned by their own shit. (And their neighbours')
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27-01-2012, 13:31   #51
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Funny thing is there seem to be a lot of protestors from Galway in particular. Do they not remember crypto, and what caused it.

This is a modest charge (which is subsidised) to save people from being poisoned by their own shit. (And their neighbours')
From what I remember it was town waste system in Tuam town that caused the crypto outbreak, not septic tanks.

This i a charge that will not go to improve the environment nor is it ringfenced.
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http://www.antaisce.ie/Portals/0/New....html#Article7

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The stark reality is that the major drinking water crises of recent years are linked to inappropriately sited or poorly maintained septic tanks. For example, Galway's large-scale outbreak of cryptosporidium in 2007 (where more than 250 people became seriously ill) was traced in large part to sewage from poorly-maintained and wrong-sited septic tanks getting into Lough Corrib, from where drinking water is sourced.
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Nobody in Galway would believe an taisce if they told you today was Friday.

The EPA, Galway City & County councils have never actually traced the cause of the outbreak - which would be included in the an tasice propaganda if there were any evidence of it.

Also Gormless would ahve stuck the boot into septic tanks if he got the chance but when asked
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In reply to questions from the media, the Minister would not be drawn on who was to blame for the cryptosporidium outbreak
The so called link to the sewerage tanks was brought up as a way of distracting from the fact that Galway City council were sitting on money to upgrade the ancient treatment plant in Terryland (no not the new one beside terryland park, the smaller old one near the QB) when the crypto outbreak happened.

It also distracts from the fact that GCC weren't testing the water often enough. They were testing it once a month, when they should have been testing the raw water once a week and the processed water daily.

Can anybody tell me if there's a treatment plant in Moycullen, Oughterard, Cong, Clonbur or any of the other towns/villages near the Corrib River/Lake system as these places would be far more likely sources of the pollution.
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Firstly, I'd accept that An Taisce is neutral in that it non funded by government.
However it mentioned rights to water. No right is absolute, as per the rulings on the consitituion and must be balanced on other rights, such as that of the mentioned right to the enjoyment private property mentioned in said constitution which is being chipped away by such government interference.

From a google seacrch, the following answers and rebuts the An Taisce arguement.
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Several investigations have failed to find the source of the outbreaks but there are a number of facts to be taken into consideration. Chief among these is that many towns and villages in Co Galway have either inadequate or non-existent wastewater treatment plants, and the now upgraded Terryland treatment plant in Galway city was inadequate at the time of the cryptosporidium outbreak.
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Phil Hogan also attributed Galway's water pollution to septic tanks, on Newstalk earlier this week.

However there are always people who will argue otherwise.
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The usual bleating. It is no more unreasonable to have a septic tank inspection charge than a charge for a NCT inspection or a driving test.
Great attitude. I bet you would soon bleat yourself if Hogan sent you a bill for over 5000 euros to upgrade your sewage pipes and charge you an inspection fee on top.
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Great attitude. I bet you would soon bleat yourself if Hogan sent you a bill for over 5000 euros to upgrade your sewage pipes and charge you an inspection fee on top.
If the NCT said you had 4 bald tyres and a defective headlight would you be bleating on about Leo Varadkar is trying to screw you?
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If the NCT said you had 4 bald tyres and a defective headlight would you be bleating on about Leo Varadkar is trying to screw you?
Duh. I would if there was nothing wrong with my tyres and 'defective' headlight and that rule only applied because I live in the country.
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Phil Hogan also attributed Galway's water pollution to septic tanks, on Newstalk earlier this week.
So, what was he basing it on - any actual facts or a plausible theory that people unfamiliar with the area will accept as fact.

Can anybody indicate a report that has been published (as opposed to politicians stating something in the media) that blames it on sewage tanks?
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Phil Hogan also attributed Galway's water pollution to septic tanks, on Newstalk earlier this week.

However there are always people who will argue otherwise.
Where is the proof
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