[Butternuts]

Originally Posted by sirreally

Butternuts, are you an employee of Lyoness? A spokesperson? Do you even work for Lyoness?

No.

If not, then with what authority or verifiable information are you responding to these very serious allegations?

Well you are not a lawyer and this is not a court. Those "very serious allegations" are going for years now and it was proven by TUV Rheinland that system does what it does. I'm speaking facts.

As for using a system for free, first I would need to be sure that it is not a front for an illegal pyramid scheme. At this stage, it appears that the burden of proof is on the company.

Nobody is forcing you to become a member, your allegation is just based on what you can find online, as you are searching only for "Lyoness scam" search engines gives you that. I understand that you have strong opinion and belief what you read online, I don't think so that our discussion will change anything. But I think that your opinion would change if you would understand this system.

[Doverba]

it just came to Macedonia

[red sean]

Originally Posted by Doverba

it just came to Macedonia

And ?????

[Steadyon]

Hello Folks.
I'm a long time lurker and browser of these here forums, but I havn't bothered signing up until now.
I have recently joined Lyoness and to be honest I am pretty excited about it.
Yes, it takes a bit of understanding and yes it will require some considerable effort, but I think it's a very good opportunity for someone of that inclination.

No disrespect to the opening poster, but as you were delighting in asking your difficult questions, did you bother listening to any of the answers?
Your post's on this subject are a bit short on facts and a bit long on pitchforks and torches.
No offense intended. Just calling a spade a pitchfork.

[Fatboydim]

LOL - If it sounds too good to be true, it is.

Butternuts... you're confusing yourself... you say it's free... as long as you spend €300 on Vouchers. Er ... That sounds like a €300 investment to me.

[Steadyon]

How so fatboy? If you spend €300 on €300 worth of vouchers and then use them to obtain €300 worth of shopping, what have you invested?

[Fatboydim]

You are handing over money for vouchers... Therefore that is not Free it is a purchase. That seems to be a condition. Therefore it costs you €300 to join.

That's a fact admitted by Butternuts.

Also we already have vouchers to buy what we want. It's a miracle, but when I see something in a shop that I want I hand over this thing called money and I get whatever it is I want.

[Steadyon]

Originally Posted by Fatboydim

You are handing over money for vouchers... Therefore that is not Free it is a purchase. That seems to be a condition. Therefore it costs you €300 to join.

That's a fact admitted by Butternuts.

Also we already have vouchers to buy what we want. It's a miracle, but when I see something in a shop that I want I hand over this thing called money and I get whatever it is I want.

So it's a purchace then and not an investment as you said earlier?

It does not cost you €300 to join. If it did you would not be able to buy €300 worth of shopping with the same money.

Also as Butternuts pointed out, no-one is forcing anybody to join Lyoness. Your right to hand over that thing called money and get what you want, discount free, is not under threat.

[Steadyon]

For Sirreally.
Before I hit the hay I want to make a comment about the article you posted on the previous page.
I came across it myself as I was researching lyoness.
It's worth another read, if only to search for one verifiable fact in the whole thing.
Quotes are attributed to "Angello" (whose name has been changed) or some unnamed lawyer.
The entire thing is hearsay, reminiscent of FOX News' famous "Some people say" interviewing tactic of a few years back.
Theres not a single line of it that the author can be called on, and therefore to me it's fluff. It does wonders for his circulation though.

[scamalert]

Lyoness is a SCAM.
Few facts,couple months ago my friend from Lithuania contacts me and goes have a good business idea for you ,no $hit Ainstain i sez,
He goes no for real,tries to explain the bits to me.
First thing i say its a $ucking scam,pyramid scheme.Also he mentions meeting these business scammers people at the meeting which showed him sheets with profit and other ****e that they,allegedly made to drag him into it and make it more believable,to say the least i dont speak to my friend any more as i warned him twice about the pyramid scheme they are running and it seems they,wont hesitate to make fake invoices,accounts on the web protecting them just to lure people in.

Also all the big brands mentioned in in are,not in this scam scheme,as they wouldnt but their name anywhere close to these thugs,its only to fool you for the time being that theres not enough customers to use cards before they move onto another country,claiming that u can use cards to buy cheaper fuel and other ****e.
Well and people who join them,should have whats coming for them,as this scheme is based on luring in family and friends to spend cash for you to gain something (which you wont.) And judging by the speed its going its another 2 months before it goes into some other country.
Now i know its Sligo forum,but i ask Mods to make a sticky somewhere that people looking up on this company would See that lyoness is a scam and should be put across all counties,as this is 100% to hit across all major towns to lure in as much sheep as possible into this pyramid.

[Tidyweb]

I have 1 question.

If you need to "pay" "invest" €300 for vouchers to join.

Why do you only get €300 in vouchers, if its such a great schem why do they not give you a discount of the vouchers. As is that not the whole premise of the system.

I would say it is because Tescos wouldnt do it and Lyoness wouldnt pay it.

[sirreally]

Originally Posted by Steadyon

It's worth another read, if only to search for one verifiable fact in the whole thing.
Quotes are attributed to "Angello" (whose name has been changed) or some unnamed lawyer.

Perhaps you should read it again. Here are four named sources in the article:

• Fabien Rouiller, a lawyer in the The Commission on Lotteries (Comlot).
• Eric Breiteneder, an Austrian lawyer in charge of more than 50 cases related to Lyoness.
• Yannick Buttet from the commercial enforcement authority in Valais.
• Anne-Valérie Pinet, a French lawyer who represents the first complainant.

[scamalert]

Do any people really think that such chains as tesco would pay someone instead then deliver discount directly to customers,since they have all the advertising infrastructure developed by themselves

[Butternuts]

Originally Posted by scamalert

,no $hit Ainstain i sez,

Ou boy, first of all its Einstein not "Ainstain" (one of the greatest scientist, show some respect). Second, we don't need to curse here, I think everyone is mature enough. Third you all see pyramid shape so I would encourage to watch this: http://youtu.be/zZiw15VgWoI

Originally Posted by Tidyweb

Why do you only get €300 in vouchers, if its such a great schem why do they not give you a discount of the vouchers. As is that not the whole premise of the system.

I would say it is because Tescos wouldnt do it and Lyoness wouldnt pay it.

Well they do, you just don't know how it works, I wrote some basics couple pages back how discount works with Lyoness.

Here is screen shot from back office:

Originally Posted by scamalert

Do any people really think that such chains as tesco would pay someone instead then deliver discount directly to customers,since they have all the advertising infrastructure developed by themselves

See for your self, recently got my vouchers:

[sirreally]

Just so everyone understands better, there are two distinct sides to this business:

1. A consumer loyalty card scheme where card holders get real discounts and real cash back from real retailers without needing to invest in the scheme (buying vouchers is not considered as investment in this case).

2. A MLM distributor scheme which involves recruiting new loyalty partners and distributors, where participants invest up to €2,000 to get involved.

The allegations regarding an illegal pyramid scheme relate to #2 above and not to #1. Therefore, information or claims regarding #1 are not relevant to this discussion, and do nothing to prove the legitimacy or legality of #2.

To Butternuts, Steadyon and anyone else involved in this: Best of luck to you, but you can't say you weren't warned.