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26-01-2012, 11:53   #46
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I found doing weighted negatives helped my regular weighted ones a lot. It gets you used to how the weight acts on your body.

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which is the correct way?
I don't think you can really say which is correct, depends on your goals.

On a bodyweight forum I saw lots of people trying to get chinups to a level where they can pass fitness tests for military or being a fireman. These tests often have rules, it would usually be chin to the bar -so it would be foolish to go to a chinup contest and start doing chest to the bar ones, and unnecessarily tire yourself out and lower your reps.

But if you are training for strength you might want chest to the bar, it is an easy way to increase difficulty and could lower your reps into a range you prefer. Conversely if you can only manage 2 chest to the bar chins you are probably better sticking to chin to the bar for now.

You can see some rules & records here
http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/chinups.html

they have separate ones for chins, pullups, 'leg assisted pullups'
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You can see some rules & records here
http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/chinups.html

they have separate ones for chins, pullups, 'leg assisted pullups'
Stephen Hyland must love doing chin ups
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27-01-2012, 15:31   #48
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Today I did

chin up single bodyweight+50kg
wide grip pull ups 3x5 bodyweight+29kg, 18 bodyweight

For the next month I won't be doing strength work so I'm interested in seeing if I lose much chin/pull up ability.
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27-01-2012, 15:36   #49
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I'd have to check my log, but I think a 50kg x3 chin up is my best at mid 90s.

Have done 20kg 5x5 recently after not doing them for a long time. Planning on including them at every session now for the foreseeable future as I'm trying to get my gunzz up, so I'll at least record my progress with updates from time to time here.

EDIT: Yup 40kg x5 and 50kg x3 around this time last year when I was training them.

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Tried turning out the rings today doing a static hold. Damn, its tough.
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50kg weighted chin-up! Some way to go so.... Apparently your 1rep max chin-up should equal your 1rep max bench? The chin-up is the combination of bodyweight plus the weight on the dip belt. Anybody agree with this statement?
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50kg weighted chin-up! Some way to go so.... Apparently your 1rep max chin-up should equal your 1rep max bench? The chin-up is the combination of bodyweight plus the weight on the dip belt. Anybody agree with this statement?

I wish my max bench was that high!!

Ive done BW @ 100kg + 27.5kg x 1.
And 25 BW pull ups @ 100 with a fair but of Kipping but they weren't quite full crossfit Kipping ones either.

Doing a few chins/pull ups every week.

Need to concentrate on chins for a while as they are well behind the pull ups

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[QUOTE=Liam Henners257;76765017]I wish my max bench was that high!!


So do I!! It has to be all down to my sh1t technique
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Tried turning out the rings today doing a static hold. Damn, its tough.
You'll learn it quick - its just got its such a weird position to stablise in.
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50kg weighted chin-up! Some way to go so.... Apparently your 1rep max chin-up should equal your 1rep max bench? The chin-up is the combination of bodyweight plus the weight on the dip belt. Anybody agree with this statement?
that means i should be benching 97kg.
and that, sadly, is not even in the foreseeable future.
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5 X 5 @93kg this morning, just finished last bar of bournville there with a double espresso. Will try the same again next monday, hopefully @91 kg.
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50kg weighted chin-up! Some way to go so.... Apparently your 1rep max chin-up should equal your 1rep max bench? The chin-up is the combination of bodyweight plus the weight on the dip belt. Anybody agree with this statement?
No. For two reasons.

1) Because bodyweight bench, while not being a massive achievement in the long term, is a lot harder to achieve than one chin.

2) Because rules like that are arbitrary and silly, imo.
I know a guy who can do a +60kg Chin @100kg and cant bench 160. But I am not about to suggest that there is something wrong with his numbers.
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No. For two reasons.

1) Because bodyweight bench, while not being a massive achievement in the long term, is a lot harder to achieve than one chin.

2) Because rules like that are arbitrary and silly, imo.
I know a guy who can do a +60kg Chin @100kg and cant bench 160. But I am not about to suggest that there is something wrong with his numbers.

I think a chin up gives you a lever with your forearm against the elbow
so you can go heavier
bench being close to max for a weighted pull up is more realistic i would say
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30-01-2012, 14:26   #59
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I have seen on several sites
Bench 1.5x your body weight. Squat 2x your body weight. Deadlift 2.5x
as being good goals.

I have done a chin with 50% of my BW before. No way I could do it now since I am fatter so not only is a chin harder my 50% has gone up. No way I could bench 1.5x, esp. as I don't bench!
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[QUOTE=d'Oracle;76805329]No. For two reasons.

1) Because bodyweight bench, while not being a massive achievement in the long term, is a lot harder to achieve than one chin.

Would have to agree with you on this at least from the point of view that I have always found benching more difficult than weighted chins. Originally seen the statement on a article on T-nation about strength standards. Came from Dan John/Mike Boyle. It also mentions your Bench Press max should equal your Front squat max & power clean max.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/5_great_lessons
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