[Batsy]

Originally Posted by Dudess

Batsy is a racist to the point of sticking up for those thugs.

Sticking up for two men who I - and many others - believe have been jailed for something they didn't do is not being "racist."

To use your argument, bet if he was white and the thugs black, you'd be calling for the latters' heads.

If Lawrence was white and the people who killed him were black we probably would have never even heard of the killing. The media would most likely have not even reported on it. The only reason it's got such a high profile is because he was black.

[ItsAWindUp]

Originally Posted by Batsy

Sticking up for two men who I - and many others - believe have been jailed for something they didn't do is not being "racist."



If Lawrence was white and the people who killed him were black we probably would have never even heard of the killing. The media would most likely have not even reported on it. The only reason it's got such a high profile is because he was black.

Er, nope sorry I don't think that's true

[ejmaztec]

Originally Posted by Batsy

"Modern science" has convicted many people over the years who were eventually released because further evidence emerged which showed that it couldn't have been then who did it (such as in the Sion Jenkins case).

Don't get too upset when it doesn't happen in their case, nor in the case of any other guilty as sin individual dragged through the courts for taking part in the same crime.

[Dudess]

And there we have it. Nice - use the kid's murder to push your disgusting agenda.
Oh right, so now it's not a case of "they definitely didn't do it", it's a case of you believe they didn't. Glad you cleared that up. Any decent reason as to why you think they didn't do it, apart from them being white and the victim black and you immediately therefore liking them?
Very same circumstances but the killers being black and the victim white and you'd be delighted with their conviction.

****ing sick.

[Batsy]

Originally Posted by ItsAWindUp
You've got the wrong end of the stick I think. He was simply replying to some racist nit who said that he was in a gang.

Why is it racist to assume that Lawrence was in a gang? There are probably about 250 gangs in London alone and around 50% of them are fully black. A lot of the remaining 50% have some black members.

The majority of black teenagers who are killed on London's streets are gang members who have been murdered by a fellow gang member, who is usually black.

Therefore you can see why many believe that Lawrence was a member of a gang and was killed by a rival gang member, just like what happened on Boxing Day on Oxford Street on Boxing Day when gang member Seydou Diarrassouba, 18, was killed by what is believed to be a rival gang member.

[Dudess]

Originally Posted by ItsAWindUp

Er, nope sorry I don't think that's true

He's always throwing out unsupported sh1t - single mothers all just get pregnant for a house etc, nothing to back it up. A joke really.

[ItsAWindUp]

Originally Posted by Batsy

Why is it racist to assume that Lawrence was in a gang? There are probably about 250 gangs in London alone and around 50% of them are fully black. A lot of the remaining 50% have some black members.

The majority of black teenagers who are killed on London's streets are gang members who have been murdered by a fellow gang member, who is usually black.

Therefore you can see why many believe that Lawrence was a member of a gang and was killed by a rival gang member, just like what happened on Boxing Day on Oxford Street on Boxing Day when gang member Seydou Diarrassouba, 18, was killed by what is believed to be a rival gang member.

I'd like to see the proof of this

[Arianna_26]

Originally Posted by bwatson

No it was not, in any way, spot on. In a sense you have already conceded this yourself in asking of the relevance of my post.

I made no reference to the sympathetic views people may or may not have towards Stephen Lawrence's family. Her point was far more irrelevant as a reply to my post than any reply I earlier posted to you was. Her "wow" was in truth the final straw.

You said 'The average Irish person will be far more sympathetic towards black people because there are far fewer, far smaller black communities in the Republic at the moment'.

Did I miss something - are the Lawrence family not black people?

[A Dub in Glasgo]

Originally Posted by Batsy

If Lawrence was white and the people who killed him were black we probably would have never even heard of the killing. The media would most likely have not even reported on it. The only reason it's got such a high profile is because he was black.

You have got to be a headcase if you truly think that.

I remember a white kid in Glasgow was abducted by an Asian gang and then murdered. He was simply targetted for being white. It was all over the news and papers and the media followed all the legal process. The racist kllers got their just desserts just like the 2 members of this gang. Hopefully they will get the rest of the murdering gang.

[Batsy]

Originally Posted by Dudess

And there we have it. Nice - use the kid's murder to push your disgusting agenda.

I'm not pushing any agenda. I just believe Dobson and Norris didn't do it. People in the past who were jailed for murder have eventually been released, pardoned and paid compensation when there seemed to be far more "evidence" that it was them who did it than in the Norris and Dobson trial.

Oh right, so now it's not a case of "they definitely didn't do it", it's a case of you believe they didn't.

Yep. I believe they didn't do it.

Glad you cleared that up. Any decent reason as to why you think they didn't do it, apart from them being white and the victim black and you immediately therefore liking them?

I never said I liked them. I said that I believe they didn't do it. I've also written many times on here as to why I think the "evidence" for Dobson and Norris being the killers is flimsy.

Very same circumstances but the killers being black and the victim white and you'd be delighted with their conviction.

If a white person was killed by a gand of black people in a racially motivated attack we would never hear about it.

And did you know that the vast majority of victims of racist crimes in Britain are white? Yet we only hear of such crimes in the media when the victim is black.

[Ellis Dee]

Originally Posted by ItsAWindUp

You've got the wrong end of the stick I think. He was simply replying to some racist nit who said that he was in a gang.

Understood. Thanks for clearing it up. It's clear that Mr. Lawrence, a brilliant student and all-round admirable young man, had nothing to do with gangs.

[Dudess]

So you agree - you wouldn't have a problem with the evidence if he was white and the killers black. Yes it is racist to assume someone is in a gang because of their skin colour and location and no other reason.
And it's dumb. And the kid was stabbed to death but no sympathy from you, just suspicion, because he was black. Totally warped.

[A Dub in Glasgo]

Here is the link to the case I quoted earlier

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...st/6123014.stm

[Dudess]

Originally Posted by Ellis Dee

Understood. Thanks for clearing it up. It's clear that Mr. Lawrence, a brilliant student and all-round admirable young man, had nothing to do with gangs.

Maybe he had - but we have no proof whatsoever, hence decent people don't make the link.

[Guy:Incognito]

Originally Posted by bwatson

I suggest you go back and read the last few pages. I have not suggested that Lawrence was a gang member nor the victim of a gang related attack. I am not so sure why you are directing the question at me.

Fair enough if you didnt say he was in a gang . From readign the last few pages I thought you were backing batsy on that point. Consider the question directed at batsy.