[Syferus]

Phew. Well done not messing that one up, Indy.

[RGIII]

         Team          SOS
 1    Indianapolis    0.5391
 2    St. Louis        0.5898
 3    Minnesota        0.5586
 4    Cleveland        0.5313
 5    Tampa Bay      0.5508
 6    Washington      0.4766
 7    Jacksonville      0.5000
 8*   Carolina          0.5039
 8*   Miami            0.5039
10    Buffalo          0.5195
11**  Kansas City    0.5117
11**  Seattle          0.5117
13    Arizona          0.4688
14    Dallas            0.4727
15    Philadelphia     0.4883
16    New York Jets  0.5000
17    Oakland          0.5039
(Traded to Cincinnati)
18    San Diego       0.5156
19    Chicago          0.5273
20    Tennessee       0.4609

 * Coin flip between Carolina and Miami to determine 8th and 9th picks
** Coin flip between Kansas City and Seattle to determine 11th and 12 picks

[davyjose]

Never have I been happier to lose

[Trippie]

Originally Posted by Syferus

I think you can put Romo and Austin above 90% of the league and Bryant clearly has the talent to be the same. Their running game is a combination of talent but ti's hard to think that having a very effective run game (when their FB is healthy) is much of a weakness over having to rely simply on a Christ Johnson or Adrian Peterson for productions.

If the Cowboys win this weekend they have all the tools they need to win the NFC, they're perhaps the only NFC team that actually has the balance that would be able to keep up with the Packers and Saints offensively as well as the 49ers defensively. The same goes for the Patriots in the AFC, indeed only the Steelers have the same balance the Cowboys do and they've managed to win two Superbowls and reach three in the past 6 years.

It's just inexplicable errors that cost them, which is something that's very hard to get your head around because they can play Superbowl-caliber football for 59 minutes and 30 seconds and then choke and throw away games they have no right losing.

They're record was 8-8 the epitome of average imo.

[Xfire Elect]

Pretty much every mock draft has Luke Kuechly going to the eagles, and I see it as a perfect fit. We need a linebacker to help us stop the run, and from what I've seen of Kuechly, he's a beast. Slot in straight away. The more pressing matter is his name, and how to pronounce it.

Another linebacker would be useful, Travis Lewis from Oklahoma could be a handy pick, but a safety is really needed, probably via the free agent market.

[Onecoolcookie]

Anyone know if Cliff Harris is going to declare for the draft after being suspended by Oregon at the start of the season? He was rated very highly at one stage but went off the rails a bit

[Hulk Hands]

Originally Posted by Syferus

By the way, the Rams are trading whatever pick they get, #1 or #2. With Barkley gone RG3 is going to worth an even larger bounty to the plentiful number of teams desperate for a franchise QB.

Why would anyone want to trade with the Rams? So that they jump ahead of the Vikings who are 100% not going to pick RGIII? There's no team that will offer the Rams picks when they can just offer the Vikings a lesser deal in the next spot. As long as the likes of Washington or Miami get in before Cleveland they're grand

[McG]

Originally Posted by Hulk Hands

Why would anyone want to trade with the Rams? So that they jump ahead of the Vikings who are 100% not going to pick RGIII? There's no team that will offer the Rams picks when they can just offer the Vikings a lesser deal in the next spot. As long as the likes of Washington or Miami get in before Cleveland they're grand

you trade with the Rams to stop other teams from doing the same.

[Hulk Hands]

Originally Posted by McG

you trade with the Rams to stop other teams from doing the same.

I dunno,I just thought if Miami and Washington were going to get into a bidding war then they would just have the sense to do it at spot 3 where it'll cost them less. I hope to god the Rams do trade out because then Matt Kalil will fall to 3

[neilster]

Originally Posted by davyjose

9th in yards per game, 12th in points per game. Austin is a half decent WR, Romo is a QB with all the tools in the world, but an inability to utilize them when needed. Bryant looks a talent, but has a long way to go to become elite. Running game is ok. But ultimately there is a distinct average-ness about the Cowboys.

You're in dreamland comparing them to both the best Offense and Defense in the NFC. And if (big if) they make the playoffs, they're a one and done team. Which, in fairness, is nothing new.

I think with the Cowboys and as a Boys fan its about the OLine

Colombo sucked , Costa Sucks, Holland isnt reliable , Dockery could go in Free Agency and Tryon Smith is a beast

We have to draft Dave DeCAStro or Reiff or J Martin , all could make sense even Peter Konz and play him at Guard and then at Centre ...we could draft twice on the Oline . A CB would be nice but a Stephon Gilmore could be got later

[neilster]

Originally Posted by Hulk Hands

I dunno,I just thought if Miami and Washington were going to get into a bidding war then they would just have the sense to do it at spot 3 where it'll cost them less. I hope to god the Rams do trade out because then Matt Kalil will fall to 3

I think the cost to the Rams of not getting Kalil is greater than the kings ranson they can get ....with a talent like Kalil protecting Bradford suddenly everytjing looks possible where with Reiff/Martin or someone else there is a bust factor

The Vikes need a Kalil or a Blackmon but the kings ransom they would get to allow whomever of Washington / Miami etc to pick RG3 would outweigh the benefit of the pick with Kalil gone and good recievers still out there

This is where Cleveland is the wild card....Jason Lacanfora and Adam Schefter have speculated that perhaps 4 1st round picks might be needed for Luck and RG3 may be the same or not much less.

Cleveland will have 2 x 2012 1st rounders and 2013 and 2014 1st rounder ...swapping their first 1st rounder in 2011 with a Washington will be a No 4 pick so they would be in the front seat to gain picks or try and move 1 or two places upwards for RG3 themselves

[neilster]

Originally Posted by Paully D

What would you think of Vontaze Burfict either, Mike? Been looking at some videos of him on YouTube and he looks interesting. Seems to be heading to the Ravens on many mock drafts as Hightower is projected to go a few places higher.

Could be more trouble than he's worth mind, apparently he has headbutted an opposing QB, talked shite to every player and official around and many scouts are backing away from him because of it.

I'm sure a kick in the hole from Ray Lewis would sort that though

This reminds me of Jimmy Smith situation last year ..id be more worried about his work ethic which even his own coaches have been quoted on but if he interviews well with the Ravens some of the mean streak may be liked by them in a way as they have a great locker room for that type of thing

[mikemac1]

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are not babysitters [not aimed at you neilster]
Everyone says the vets will keep the others in line but it's not their job

Besides I do not think Ray Lewis will be back next year. Or he'll be limited, horrible just horrible in pass coverage. And Ed Reed cannot tackle
Sounds like blasphemy to criticize the greats but it's true

Besides Harbaugh tends to bench players for many different reasons. Act up in Baltimore and you'll be in Harbaughs doghouse.

If Vontaze Burfict wants to act up, cause drama and be undisciplined Rex Ryan can take him, he'll fit in there

I want Dont'a Hightower and Ozzie Newsome the GM just loves his 'bama players

[jdivision]

Originally Posted by Syferus

Average?! They have one of the most balanced (and best) offenses in the entire league. With hugely talented receivers like Miles Austin and Dez Bryant, not to mention a new touchdown machine in Laurent Robinson, a very good 1-2 at RB, supplemented by one of the best blocking FBs in the league. Romo is a top-tier QB, below the very elite but still more than good enough to do his fair share and make the opposition respect the pass and then some. On defense you've got among the best line-backing groups in the league in Bradie James, Keith Brooking and DeMarcus Ware.

They underachieve, sure, they've had more talented teams, sure, but it's very hard to say their roster is 'average'.

Cowboys need at least three new offensive line starters and an almost entirely new secondary. When both are poor you're in trouble. Romo is hit and miss, very average when the pressure comes on.

The Lions (my team) will have a lot of trouble this offseason. They're going to have to work out something with Avril and Megatron in terms of contracts. Then they need a new LT (Backus may retire), a RT, two new linebackers (given the number of free agents) and secondary still a problem.

[D3PO]

Originally Posted by neilster

I think the cost to the Rams of not getting Kalil is greater than the kings ranson they can get ....with a talent like Kalil protecting Bradford suddenly everytjing looks possible where with Reiff/Martin or someone else there is a bust factor

Totally agree getting Kalil in to protect Bradford and getting in a second WR to go with Llyod in FA would so so much for that offense. Laurent Robinson wont hang around in Dallas as a number 3 id say so that seems like a good fit to me without having to break the bank going for a D Jax or Welker type.

All of a sudden you have Jackson in the backfield , Llyod and Robinson as your widemen a solid #3 in Gibson and Salas or Amendola as your slot guy.

very quickly they can use most of the draft then on defense and the Rams could finally come good again.