[funkey_monkey]

Originally Posted by Skopzz

Not on the Bus. It would only cost you approx 30 EUR for a return ticket to Newry from Kilkenny. Bus Eireann would be able to provide a more accurate quote if you contact them directly since they do not advertize these type of fares to the 6 counties online.

Bus Eireann & Ulsterbus do a route share from Belfast to Dublin Airport. It costs £17.50GBP from Belfast for a return. The bus stops in Newry Ulsterbus station (across the canal from the Canal Court Hotel).

Would be cheaper still for a Newry-Dublin return I'd imagine.

[davo10]

Originally Posted by Skopzz

That is misleading. I got my dental treatment done in Hungary recently but to put a long story short, the Irish Dentists were greedy and tried to make excuses to justify their extortion.

So stop scaremongering. If anything, Irish Dentists now cut corners because they are trying to slot-in more appointments to compensate for people going up north.

Ironic. The OP's "greedy" Irish dentist referred to a specialist thus passing up the opportunity to treat the patient and taking his money as payment. The dentist in Newry, without examining him or viewing x-rays and most importantly, without knowing what the problem is, quoted him for treatment.

Skopzz you are full of it, on a other thread you posted that you had treatment done in Newry, then a few minutes swopped "Budapest" for "Newry", you are trolling. Tell us all again how Ulster businesses are sectarian "as evidenced by the co.uk" on their websites.

If you want to be taken seriously, post evidence how what I have posted is scaremongering and more importantly evidence if dentists cutting corners.

[Skopzz]

Originally Posted by funkey_monkey

Bus Eireann & Ulsterbus do a route share from Belfast to Dublin Airport. It costs £17.50GBP from Belfast for a return. The bus stops in Newry Ulsterbus station (across the canal from the Canal Court Hotel).

Would be cheaper still for a Newry-Dublin return I'd imagine.

Thanks for the input. If I were going up to Newry for another filling, I would make sure to get the bus/train (whichever is the cheapest). I don't mean to slag some of the dentists here but these guys need to lower their prices otherwise they are toast. Seriously, when people are going up north to get a filling, theres something wrong with our competitiveness here. Costs can easily be managed by a simple means of not paying your staff 15 EUR an hour or expecting a lump of gold for a job that only takes 5 mins...

[MadsL]

Originally Posted by davo10

You cud PM it to me please, I would be interested as i said, I have not heard of any dentist charging that price for crown work unless they were consultants treating very difficult situations. Thanks

Just had a look at the quote again, memory playing tricks. The quote comes in at a total of 1590 for the two crowns, however the dentist did warn as one is below the gum line that it could go 500 higher than that.

I'm still better off (and have gold crown at no extra cost) under a dental plan in the US than in Ireland. VHI only cover the first 1500.

Dentist also uses a really cool injection machine that only numbs the tooth being worked on - and instantly is able to work on the tooth.

[davo10]

Originally Posted by MadsL

Just had a look at the quote again, memory playing tricks. The quote comes in at a total of 1590 for the two crowns, however the dentist did warn as one is below the gum line that it could go 500 higher than that.

I'm still better off (and have gold crown at no extra cost) under a dental plan in the US than in Ireland. VHI only cover the first 1500.

Dentist also uses a really cool injection machine that only numbs the tooth being worked on - and instantly is able to work on the tooth.

Thanks Mads for coming back on this, I suspect the extra €500 was a provision in case root canal and a cast post & core was needed. €795 per crown sounds a lot better than €1250.

The insurance part of your post is a separate issue, the VHI company here is Decare and it is a crap insurance for dental treatment.

Some of us also use the infiltration anaesthetics you describe, they work very quickly and ware off quickly so you can get on with your day without that numb effect.

[shay123]

As the original poster thank you all for the lively comments. In conclusion, I would surmise that davo has a vested interest in all this and although all comments are appreciated, what is not appreciated is the arrogance of comparing this problem to having heart surgery done by a GP. What you need to realize, I suspect you are in a very different place, is the pressure some of us are under at the moment and when asked what I wanted for Christmas by my partner my reply was dental treatment please.

Whilst specialist's deserve a good living my whole point is that you just know when something is just a bit too expensive and whilst we all could overlook the feeling in the past we cannot do so now.

This is something that is not going away and without anyone speaking out we will continue to be told, now there's a good lad, just pay up and go on your way.

[davo10]

Originally Posted by shay123

As the original poster thank you all for the lively comments. In conclusion, I would surmise that davo has a vested interest in all this and although all comments are appreciated, what is not appreciated is the arrogance of comparing this problem to having heart surgery done by a GP. What you need to realize, I suspect you are in a very different place, is the pressure some of us are under at the moment and when asked what I wanted for Christmas by my partner my reply was dental treatment please.

Whilst specialist's deserve a good living my whole point is that you just know when something is just a bit too expensive and whilst we all could overlook the feeling in the past we cannot do so now.

This is something that is not going away and without anyone speaking out we will continue to be told, now there's a good lad, just pay up and go on your way.

OP I think you read my post again, you will see the word "analogy" not the word "compare" they have two very different meanings, an analogy is used to illustrate a point, if you prefer, I can edit post and change it to a big toe problem and big toe surgeon.

There is a difference also between something which is unaffordable to an individual at a particular time and a rip off. I may be offered an item at below cost but still not be able to afford it.

My main point was that you were referred to a specialist, got a quote, rang another GP dentist, got a lower quote as would be expected then screamed "rip off". It makes no difference to me where you go so I have no vested interest, but in the interest of fairness I think you should give post an accurate description of the situation. I suspect you knew well that one was a specialist because the referring dentist would have told you as much, and one was a general dentist in Newry.

If you want a balanced price comparison, contact one of the Periodontists in Belfast, ask your GDP to send a copy of the referral which will have a description of your condition and ask for a quotation for treatment, you might be surprised at how little the price varies for this type of time consuming treatment.

As with all specialist treatments, it is your right to weigh up the cost/benefits and decide to proceed or not as the case may be, no one can force you to have it.

Lastly, just to put some perspective on this, you probably spent tens of thousands of punts and euro on cigerettes getting your teeth into their present condition and will spend more money on dentures if the problem is not attended to. Have you considered going to your GDP, explaining the situation, asking him/her to carry out treatment to keep things stable until some time in the future when you can have more comprehensive treatment?

[trixie_belle12]

Sorry to hijack this thread however I have a query on the massive discrepancies being charged in the republic.

I went to the dentist today as have been having some pain in a tooth that has not yet been root treated. There is very little of the tooth left and the tooth on one side has already been removed so although I would prefer to keep the tooth it seems that it's pretty much a lost cause and removal has been advised.

Prior to this occurring I have been given a course of antibiotics to clear the infection. My dentist then referred me to another dentist in Cork that does implant work. She had them call me directly. The clinic in question seemed extremely expensive so I researched online and found a dentist in Limerick that seems much more reasonable. For instance a crown in the Cork clinic is listed as costing EUR 1,000 - 1,250 and the Limerick clinic EUR 500.

Is this just more rip-off back scratching tactics??

[davo10]

Originally Posted by trixie_belle12

For instance a crown in the Cork clinic is listed as costing EUR 1,000 - 1,250 and the Limerick clinic EUR 500.

Is this just more rip-off back scratching tactics??

One is an implant retained crown and will include the abutment (connects crown to implant, these are milled titanium or cad-cam designed zirconium), the other is a standard crown placed on a tooth. Two very different prosthesis, in this case "crown" is a generic term such as "car" but the processes for impressions, fabrication and fit are completely different, the skills required and lab expertise and costs are also different.

Again, like the OP you are comparing the cost of treatment charged by the specialist you were referred to in Cork with a dentist in Limerick. I had a look at a number of websites in the North where qualified specialists were placing +/- restoring implants, none were less that £2100/€2600 for an examination, X-ray, implant and crown.

[trixie_belle12]

Originally Posted by davo10

One is an implant retained crown and will include the abutment (connects crown to implant, these are milled titanium or cad-cam designed zirconium), the other is a standard crown placed on a tooth. Two very different prosthesis, in this case "crown" is a generic term such as "car" but the processes for impressions, fabrication and fit are completely different, the skills required and lab expertise and costs are also different.

Again, like the OP you are comparing the cost of treatment charged by the specialist you were referred to in Cork with a dentist in Limerick. I had a look at a number of websites in the North where qualified specialists were placing +/- restoring implants, none were less that £2100/€2600 for an examination, X-ray, implant and crown.

Incorrect.

As the prices for implants are variable on both websites I compared the price of a normal crown to reflect the discrepancy.

See below price variables for implants:
Cork: Single Implant Not Restored with crown - EUR 1,195;
Single Implant Restored with crown - EUR 2,950 - 3,950

Limerick: Implants (BioHorizon) EUR 1,500

Cork: Veneers - ERU 950 - 1,150
Limerick: Veneers - 500

There are massive price differences between the two clinics imo.

[davo10]

Trixie could you pm me links to the two clinics so I can see the clinics myself before I post again, to me the one in Cork is on the high side and the one in Limerick on the low, is the one in Limerick a general or specialist clinic?, you have established that the one in Cork is a specialist.

If one is a specialist and one is a general practice than your posts are about as accurate or misleading as the OP's, also are the veneers porcelain, Lava, e-max, procera etc?, there is a huge difference in quality and cost between them, you can be sure a specialist will not be putting on a bog standard veneer.

Biohorizons are on the cheaper end of the implant cost scale.

[CiaranC]

I flew to the French riveria late last year and paid cash for 4 fillings, a root canal, a crown and a scale and polish. Price was approx 30% of what I was quoted in Ireland.

[davo10]

Originally Posted by CiaranC

I flew to the French riveria late last year and paid cash for 4 fillings, a root canal, a crown and a scale and polish. Price was approx 30% of what I was quoted in Ireland.

Hmmm, so let me see, a patient from another country walks in to a clinic asks for 4 fillings, a root canal, a crown, scale and polish, offers to pay cash and the dentists knows he/she will not hear from them again. I'm surprised it was only 30% cheaper.

[trixie_belle12]

Originally Posted by davo10

Trixie could you pm me links to the two clinics so I can see the clinics myself before I post again, to me the one in Cork is on the high side and the one in Limerick on the low, is the one in Limerick a general or specialist clinic?, you have established that the one in Cork is a specialist.

If one is a specialist and one is a general practice than your posts are about as accurate or misleading as the OP's, also are the veneers porcelain, Lava, e-max, procera etc?, there is a huge difference in quality and cost between them, you can be sure a specialist will not be putting on a bog standard veneer.

Biohorizons are on the cheaper end of the implant cost scale.

I could send you the links but I'd rather get more impartial advice elsewhere.

[davo10]

Originally Posted by trixie_belle12

I could send you the links but I'd rather get more impartial advice elsewhere.

That doesn't make sense, the only one that is going to be able to explain the difference between the two is a dental professional, if you want to compare prices, compare specialist clinics with specialist clinics and general with general, not specialist with general. Also different types and quality of veneers and crowns cost different prices be it here of in the North or anywhere in the World. My guess is you looked up the websites and spotted the difference in qualifications and types of treatments offered otherwise there should not be an issue with backing up your post.

i'm not saying dentists should charge megaprices for treatments, just that when you post price comparisons that they should be for the same items by the same types of clinicians.