[Slick50]

Originally Posted by plasmaguy

In my opinion, the Stamp Duty tax was a far more unfair tax on people than a measly 100 euro property tax. The Stamp Duty tax could often amount to as much as 50,000 on an average property in the boom years, and people didn't even complain.

The price of the average property reached about €340k, and stamp duty was 7% in that price range, plus the first €125k was exempt. So where do you get €50k from.

It has already been accepted by most people on here that this tax will not stay at a "measly" €100.

[mikom]

Originally Posted by plasmaguy

+1.

A rare example of measured proposals amid a torrent of "I'm not paying it" hysteria.

We should have had a property tax years ago, instead of a stamp duty/pay at the point of purchase tax.

There are still people like me fighting to save this country, whereas others seem to have just given up and written it off.

What a patriot.

[tayto lover]

Originally Posted by plasmaguy

+1.

A rare example of measured proposals amid a torrent of "I'm not paying it" hysteria.

We should have had a property tax years ago, instead of a stamp duty/pay at the point of purchase tax.

The problem with the stamp duty tax was always going to be that revenues from it were related to the state of the property market.

So if there was lots of house sales, and expensive house sales at that, stamp duty boomed.

If there hardly any house sales, there was no stamp duty revenue.

The government budgeted in 2008 for example for a certain amount of stamp duty income. When that failed to materiliase because of the crash, they ended up with a massive deficit.

We need to get rid of stamp duty taxes. And replace them with a more reliable consistant revenue stream. Otherwise this country is completely screwed.

There are still people like me fighting to save this country, whereas others seem to have just given up and written it off.

Would you have any idea of when the Stamp Duty i paid is being returned to me then ?

[Mr CJ]

Originally Posted by celticcrash

No need to be sorry, you didn't burst my bubble.
He said a few more paid by credit card and internet.
Please dont tell me that its gone up to
2%

I am actually very suprised it is even at 1% if you consider the average per county who registered would be below 0.5% haha

All these new scare tactics they are trying to use and how they are trying to change the law to make us pay makes me even more determined to not pay!! How dare they carry on like this, lately they are really showing there true colours, I actually thought id never say this but I think these guys are worse than FF!! If they had of been in power the last several yrs they would of been a disaster! To top it all off they treat tax evasion to the equivelant of murder, this government makes me more sick every day!!

Dont Register Dont pay stick to your guns everyone let them FCK OFF

[Mr CJ]

I also see the poll is gradually increasing every day for the No side

[greenpilot]

Originally Posted by dvpower

I agree with most of this, except for the last part.
They should have gotten their act together sooner and I don't see them getting their act together even now. I predict that we wont have a valuation based property tax until 2004 at least.

I can't see it failing for the simple reason that it has been agreed with the trioka and I think they are keen on a property tax because of the revenue stability it gives. Towards the middle of the year, when we haven't raised the 160m and the government are having to raise the money elsewhere, there will be political pressure to come down hard on the non payers.

Political pressure from whom? The sheep who have paid already? The rest of us will be laughing in your faces, not listening to you. Enjoy your smugness while it lasts, sheep.

[greenpilot]

Originally Posted by Bishop_Donal

I wouldn't be basing my view on a poll on Boards. Let's see if more than 50% are compliant on 31 March 2012.

Who has a spare Eur100? Vast majority of people. They just view the night in the Pub as mandatory / their sky TV is mandatory / their three foreign holidays a year are mandatory / eating out a few times a week is mandatory etc etc etc. It's a strange recession in this country when you see how busy the pubs were right over Christmas. Wait til you see the crowds at the Rugby matches...... But oh no, don't ask me to make a pissy little contribution towards putting the country back on a stable footing......

Remember this sheep? Ive got his Hat ready for eating right here....now, where did he go....

[squod]

Originally Posted by dvpower

I can't see it failing for the simple reason that it has been agreed with the trioka

Google ''Greece'' and see how protests worked out for them.

[Mr CJ]

Originally Posted by greenpilot

Remember this sheep? Ive got his Hat ready for eating right here....now, where did he go....

I see there is a new sheep on the thread to take his place

[the groutch]

Originally Posted by dvpower

I predict that we wont have a valuation based property tax until 2004 at least.

how much for that time machine of yours?

[dvpower]

Originally Posted by greenpilot

Enjoy your smugness while it lasts, sheep.

I'm not at all smug. I just happen to disagree with you on this issue. Really there is no need for the personal abuse.

[smash]

The fact that the government want to get a household owners list from the esb shows how incompetent they are. They manage the pps numbers, they pay the benefits, they collect the taxes. And yet they need to go to a private company to get the info? I don't think there's any ps/revenue debt that actually talk to eachother.

[dvpower]

Originally Posted by the groutch

how much for that time machine of yours?

You don't need a time machine to make a prediction. Afaik, work on the Property Tax has been slow, so its unlikely that it will be ready for the December budget. I think that will put it back to 2014.

[smash]

Originally Posted by dvpower

You don't need a time machine to make a prediction. Afaik, work on the Property Tax has been slow, so its unlikely that it will be ready for the December budget. I think that will put it back to 2014.

His time machine reference was because you originally said 2004. Apart from that, ready for dec budget? It's already here and next time around it will probably be a valuation tax based on zones which is easy.

[dvpower]

Originally Posted by squod

Google ''Greece'' and see how protests worked out for them.

Greece are a basket case. Even with debt writeoffs the yield on Greek debt isnt coming down.
The protests in Greece aren't helping the Greek people at all. Their new property tax is much much higher than ours and theirs is being collected via their electricity bills. Non payers will have their electricity cut off.