[Frank Black]

Originally Posted by gerryo777

By the time the IMF/ECB are out of this country, all these unsecured bonds will have been paid off so it'll be a bit late then.
As I've said before, taxing people too much only stops them from spending in the domestic economy.
Reduced spending in the domestic economy = little or no job creation.
No job creation = reduced income taxes, reduced spending etc etc and a continuing welfare bill.
BTW black francis, how come when anyone has a view different from yours it's "populist bulls**t"?

Yeah, paid with money we've borrowed.

How do you think we can re-negotiate the terms of repayments if we're depending on the same lenders to fund our day to day spending.

Do you not think we'd be in a better position to re-negoitiate a write off of a significant portion of this money if we were self-sufficient?

And I sasnd by my comment that most of the anti-tax brigade refuse to engage on the substantive question on how we bridge this gap and would rather trade in cheap sloganeering.

[gerryo777]

Originally Posted by black francis

Yeah, paid with money we've borrowed.

How do you think we can re-negotiate the terms of repayments if we're depending on the same lenders to fund our day to day spending.

Do you not think we'd be in a better position to re-negoitiate a write off of a significant portion of this money if we were self-sufficient?

And I sasnd by my comment that most of the anti-tax brigade refuse to engage on the substantive question on how we bridge this gap and would rather trade in cheap sloganeering.

How to bridge the gap.
Improve our domestic economy, encourage people with larger than normal savings to spend thus creating jobs, reducing the unemployment numbers and increasing tax take. NO?

[mickydoomsux]

Originally Posted by gerryo777

How to bridge the gap.
Improve our domestic economy, encourage people with larger than normal savings to spend thus creating jobs, reducing the unemployment numbers and increasing tax take. NO?

Improve it how? All the anti-campaigns are very light on their own workable alternatives.

You basically just said "We need to make thing more gooder!"

Also, you just described the building boom that ****ed the country in the first place.

[Frank Black]

Originally Posted by gerryo777

How to bridge the gap.
Improve our domestic economy, encourage people with larger than normal savings to spend thus creating jobs, reducing the unemployment numbers and increasing tax take. NO?

Quite a gamble you're prepared to take with the public finances - borrow a load more money to try to stimulate demand?

I'd prefer to see us tackle waste in the delivery of public services and broaden our tax base to non-cyclical tax streams.

[donalg1]

Originally Posted by gerryo777

If the local shop goes out of business it's not going to be paying commercial rates which apparently go to funding local services.

Well maybe if they can raise money for local services through the household charge and ultimately property tax then commercial rates can be reduced which will help with job creation.

[mikom]

Originally Posted by donalg1

Well maybe if they can raise money for local services through the household charge and ultimately property tax then commercial rates can be reduced which will help with job creation.

Fairy land.

[gerryo777]

Originally Posted by black francis

Quite a gamble you're prepared to take with the public finances - borrow a load more money to try to stimulate demand?

I'd prefer to see us tackle waste in the delivery of public services and broaden our tax base to non-cyclical tax streams.

Or we could just try and tax our way out of this recession. Good luck with that!

[gerryo777]

Originally Posted by mickydoomsux

Improve it how? All the anti-campaigns are very light on their own workable alternatives.

You basically just said "We need to make thing more gooder!"

Also, you just described the building boom that ****ed the country in the first place.

Fool.

[donalg1]

Originally Posted by mikom

Fairy land.

Well I am only responding to sills suggestions by the anti campaigners that by not paying the charge everyone will spend loads of money in their local economy and this will create huge amounts of jobs for everyone and then we will all live happily ever after!!

[donalg1]

Originally Posted by gerryo777

Fool.

Thats a Banning!!!

[Ghandee]

Originally Posted by black francis

Yeah, paid with money we've borrowed.

How do you think we can re-negotiate the terms of repayments if we're depending on the same lenders to fund our day to day spending.

Do you not think we'd be in a better position to re-negoitiate a write off of a significant portion of this money if we were self-sufficient?

And I sasnd by my comment that most of the anti-tax brigade refuse to engage on the substantive question on how we bridge this gap and would rather trade in cheap sloganeering.

Not me, I didnt borrow it, why should the life be taxed out of me to repay it

[mickydoomsux]

Originally Posted by gerryo777

Fool.

Great alternative, you've fixed the economy.

More personal attacks by the anti brigade because they haven't got a clue.

[Frank Black]

Originally Posted by Ghandee

Not me, I didnt borrow it, why should the life be taxed out of me to repay it

Yeah, just go on ignoring the €18billion hole in our own finances.

[gerryo777]

Originally Posted by donalg1

Thats a Banning!!!

Well you know what they say about a fool and his money!

Sorry mods, but I've been asked for suggestions on how we can improve our situation and I've given what I think are reasonable responses.
donalg1,mickydoomsux and blackfrancis must have an agenda as anyone who doesn't agree with them is accused of trading in 'cheap sloganeering',spouting 'populist bulls**t' (a contradiction in terms there I do believe) and probably gets reported to a moderator for not agreeing with them.

[gerryo777]

Originally Posted by mickydoomsux

Improve it how? All the anti-campaigns are very light on their own workable alternatives.

You basically just said "We need to make thing more gooder!"

Also, you just described the building boom that ****ed the country in the first place.

Do you just read the first line of a post before you jump in?