[donalg1]

Originally Posted by Phill Ewinn

Thunderdome--------->


Anyway. Having asked people in the 'real' world I worked out the pole is about accurate. It's only poeple taken in by RTE's usual BS coverage and people over 65 that want to pay.

Fair play to them. If they have €100 to waste. I rather see the money go to a good cause than waste it though.

Thunderdome? maybe he should go there too seeing as he is constantly reposting that post for weeks now.

I dont watch listen to or pay any attention to RTE and I am nowhere near 65 and will be paying. I wouldnt be at all surprised if some of those on here saying there is no way they are ever going to pay this charge dont have a change of mind when the 31st of March is looming, I am sure there are plenty that wont pay but I think the numbers paying will increase an awful lot the closer to the date we get.

[Phill Ewinn]

Donal is in the 'for wasting €100' camp. I'm not. Who do you reckon is right????

No point argueing. There's plenty of people in genuine need of that kind of cash. I'll be outside mass as I regularly do a few Sundays a year. Collecting from people who give a sh1t.

Meanwhile you'll be wasting that money, gambling on a non-runner. Each to their own I guess.

[SafeSurfer]

Fine Gael anti property tax poster 1994

http://irishelectionliterature.wordp...-leaflet-1994/

[donalg1]

Originally Posted by Phill Ewinn

Donal is in the 'for wasting €100' camp. I'm not. Who do you reckon is right????

No point argueing. There's plenty of people in genuine need of that kind of cash. I'll be outside mass as I regularly do a few Sundays a year. Collecting from people who give a sh1t.

Meanwhile you'll be wasting that money, gambling on a non-runner. Each to their own I guess.

Wasting €100, sure I could claim all my taxes are a waste of money and not pay them, no more motor tax, screw the consequences. IMO insurance is a waste of money so maybe I wont bother insuring my car either and screw the consequences of that too. Sure why dont we all decide what taxes to pay and what not to pay I am sure nothing bad could happen.

"Collecting from people who give a sh1t" what are you even talking about?

[donalg1]

Originally Posted by SafeSurfer

Fine Gael anti property tax poster 1994

http://irishelectionliterature.wordp...-leaflet-1994/

What does the 1994 part refer to?

[Phill Ewinn]

You're saying you disagree with the Taoiseach then. You're saying it's not morally wrong to pay this tax? I never heard the Taoiseach tell me motor tax is unfair etc.....

It's your money. Waste it how you want. But don't let me lend you any morality or sense or justice.

[tayto lover]

Originally Posted by donalg1

What does the 1994 part refer to?

Probably this able gentleman's ideas
http://www.theemergency.ie/wp-conten...P_932244a1.jpg

[donalg1]

Originally Posted by Phill Ewinn

You're saying you disagree with the Taoiseach then. You're saying it's not morally wrong to pay this tax? I never heard the Taoiseach tell me motor tax is unfair etc.....

It's your money. Waste it how you want. But don't let me lend you any morality or sense or justice.

Are you saying someone cant change their mind after 18 years when the economy is 1million percent different now compared to what it was 18years ago??

Morality sense of justice what is that supposed to mean, the government have introduced a household charge and instructed homeowners to pay €100 so I am going to pay it, how is that immoral, if you are concerned with justice surely abiding by the laws of this country has something to do with justice.

Although alot of people here seem to think they have rights as citizens to pick and choose the laws they abide by.

[SafeSurfer]

Originally Posted by donalg1

What does the 1994 part refer to?

Enda likes this "thumbs up".

[donalg1]

Originally Posted by SafeSurfer

Enda likes this "thumbs up".

Hardly refers to the year 1994 now does it? I wouldnt imagine anyone would think something relating to the economic situation in 1994 has any relevance to today's economic situation

[Tenderloins1]

Originally Posted by donalg1

Hardly refers to the year 1994 now does it? I wouldnt imagine anyone would think something relating to the economic situation in 1994 has any relevance to today's economic situation

Its more relevant in that the arguments against a Property Tax or at least a fair one are contained within the leaflet.

[tayto lover]

The F.G./Labour parties will soon be coming onto our radios and televisions trying their best to scare people by manipulating the number who have paid the property tax in order to get us to pay. People do not fall for it. This tax will only fail if we stand together and refuse -- it is unjust.
I am told they have their plans made for this campaign of scaremongering.

There comes a time when people get tired of being plunged into the abyss of exploitation and nagging injustice. ~Martin Luther King, Jr., Stride Toward Freedom: The Montgomery Story, 1958

[Phill Ewinn]

Originally Posted by donalg1

Are you saying someone cant change their mind after 18 years when the economy is 1million percent different now compared to what it was 18years ago??

Morality sense of justice what is that supposed to mean, the government have introduced a household charge and instructed homeowners to pay €100 so I am going to pay it, how is that immoral, if you are concerned with justice surely abiding by the laws of this country has something to do with justice.

Although alot of people here seem to think they have rights as citizens to pick and choose the laws they abide by.

There's been immoral and unjust laws in lots of countries. N.Korea, China, South Africa in the sixties????

He's said it's unfair. It's the same now as it was then. Time doesn't change morality.

This new tax raises the cost of living here. It makes the country even more uncompetitive. Now correct me if I'm wrong here but Enda said during the week his priority was job creation. This new tax won't help..

[ilovesleep]

Originally Posted by dolanbaker

The key difference between the poll tax and rates was it was the person not the property that was taxed!

Poll Tax
One house + one adult = 1 tax
One house + four adults = 4 taxes
House size or type didn't matter.

Rates

One house + one adult = 1 tax
One house + four adults = 1 tax

Rates based on house size & value.

That poll tax is horrific! Dress it up in any way you want but that's a tax on people.

[Am Chile]

Originally Posted by SafeSurfer

Fine Gael anti property tax poster 1994

http://irishelectionliterature.wordp...-leaflet-1994/

Nice reminder, here,s a more recent reminder of what fine gael said prior to the election.


From the Fine Gael Manifesto

8. Taxation of Property and Wealth

Fianna Fail’s proposal, now endorsed by the Labour Party, to introduce by 2014 an annual, recurring residential property tax on the family home is unfair for three reasons:
...
• The initial flat rate charge means that houses in standard neighbourhoods worth
a fraction of some mansions will pay the same rate of tax.
• It will be difficult to pay for asset‐rich but income poor households, particularly
the elderly and the unemployed; and
• It will be deeply unfair for a young generation that paid exorbitant amounts of
stamp duty and VAT on the purchases on over‐valued houses, many of whom
now find themselves in negative equity.

http://www.finegael2011.com/pdf/Less...ngerGrowth.pdf