[limboninja]

Originally Posted by spudz21

Public service to recruit 3000 new staff in 2012 focused on frontline areas:-):-):-):-)

Tout this was a wind up tbh but turns out its true:

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...2-2959153.html

[tweedledee]

Not a chance guys, sorry to say, Shatter is gona cut the life out of the Gardai cause he can. Divide and conquer, he knows they are forbidden to go on strike, so its easy for him to make the cuts there.
Shatter has a lot of power now in his beedy little hands and he knows it. He shafted the Judges, he is trying to shaft the barristers and he will continue to shaft the pressed police services because FG rank crime control waaaay down the list in their priorities. Plus the rejection by the people of Ireland of the oireachtas powers didn't go down very well with the Justice Minister. In fact I heard he was livid.
The next few budgets are going to cut almost 2 billion out of the government spend in the next 2 years!!!!! Sadly this first FG budget is the first of 3 or 4 more even worse ones to come. You aint seen nothing yet.
Not many former Gardai or prison officers in the Dail but there are dozens of ex teachers, they will always get priority over other frontline services.

[limboninja]

I don't really agree with that. They MUST to recruit to keep the numbers at a level where the guards can function properly. The closure of the 30+ stations will inevitably lead to more crime in these areas as they will be seen as easy targets. An hike in the crime rate will drive people crazy....seen as they can recruit for the army and "special advisers" for government. Shatter and FG know that they are not above the power of the ballot and I believe people will respond just as angrily to their homes and streets being easier targets for criminals as they would to their wages being cut. I genuinely believe that we WILL be called in in the next 12 months to maintain the number of 13000(after retirements)....if a major riot occurred in Dublin like the ones we seen in London there would probebley be more rioters than guards on the streets which is a scary thing to think about....

[2wsxcde3]

Yup next few budgets are going to be severe. They got approx $670 million this year alone simply by raising vat 2%. Noonan has promised not to rise it again in the lifetime of the government. It was an easy way to get so much money - they won't be able to take that option again.
They'll prob have to cut social welfare to get a decent slice like that again. Prob see that in the next budget.

[WilcoOut]

Originally Posted by spudz21

Public service to recruit 3000 new staff in 2012 focused on frontline areas:-):-):-):-)

all for the passport office

[axle foley]

THE Government is to recruit 3,000 new staff into the public and civil service next year under plans to relax the recruitment embargo, writes Colm Kelpie.

With 9,000 public sector workers due to retire in 2012, Public Expenditure Minister Brendan Howlin told the Dail Public Accounts Committee yesterday he wanted to bring in new staff with select skills.

It is understood that recruitment will be focused on frontline areas including teachers and nurses, with a limited number of specialist personnel also being brought into the civil service

The fact that they didnt mention the guards here is pretty conclusive that we wont be included UNLESS there are more retirements between now and Feb. There is always hope considering guards that do retire now will keep their whole pention based on their 2009 salary which is a great incentive to bite the cherry. here's to wishful thinking!

[2wsxcde3]

What i find odd is that this wasn't mentioned in the budget. I'd have been shouting it from the hill tops if i was noonan. It didn't even make the news tonight. 3000 jobs is huge to create at any time - especially during a recession. Whats going on??

[FGR]

Originally Posted by 2wsxcde3

What i find odd is that this wasn't mentioned in the budget. I'd have been shouting it from the hill tops if i was noonan. It didn't even make the news tonight. 3000 jobs is huge to create at any time - especially during a recession. Whats going on??

You forget that loud minority who will be onto Joe Duffy complaining that the Government are employing 3,000 more 'wasters' into the already 'overpaid and underworked' public service and this is 'atrocious considering how our country is bankrupt Joe!'.

I don't believe they'll re-open the college until 2013 at the earliest. Besides that the Programme for Government still upholds an intent of having AGS brought back down to 12,000..which is less than the number back in 2002.

[limboninja]

Originally Posted by ForegoneReality

You forget that loud minority who will be onto Joe Duffy complaining that the Government are employing 3,000 more 'wasters' into the already 'overpaid and underworked' public service and this is 'atrocious considering how our country is bankrupt Joe!'.

I don't believe they'll re-open the college until 2013 at the earliest. Besides that the Programme for Government still upholds an intent of having AGS brought back down to 12,000..which is less than the number back in 2002.

As far as I know the actual number agreed in the EU/IMF package was 13000....12000 is just a number being thrown around by some of the Sunday newspapers from unofficial meetings!!! I've heard we would see a dose of blue flu before the numbers go to 12000!!!

[shakin]

its shocking cold out in fairness!

[Devil08]

Originally Posted by ForegoneReality

You forget that loud minority who will be onto Joe Duffy complaining that the Government are employing 3,000 more 'wasters' into the already 'overpaid and underworked' public service and this is 'atrocious considering how our country is bankrupt Joe!'.

I don't believe they'll re-open the college until 2013 at the earliest. Besides that the Programme for Government still upholds an intent of having AGS brought back down to 12,000..which is less than the number back in 2002.

Good afternoon to you Joe

[limboninja]

Not really sure what to make of these stats...........any thoughts??


http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQui...lProduct=DB_CJ

[C-J]

Originally Posted by limboninja

Not really sure what to make of these stats...........any thoughts??


http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQui...lProduct=DB_CJ

the majority of offences on that list hit their peak before the recession hit. The majority (over 80%) of public order offences involve alcohol, and so the drastic decrease in statistics related to po offences is simply due to a vast decline in alcohol and drug consumption in this country due to the recession. Public order offences are still rife but down from their peak. Every single thing on that list relates to the recession. I have studied drug and alcohol addiction specifically for ags and the recession has had a major impact on our habits and our patterns of consumption. Firearm offences are also drastically down as drug gangs are feeling the pinch!

[msg11]

Originally Posted by limboninja

Not really sure what to make of these stats...........any thoughts??


http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQui...lProduct=DB_CJ

As in, is the crime rate in the listed offences falling or less cases been recorded as a successful conviction? Well if crime is on the rise and the numbers are falling maybe less convictions.

You would need to compare the % rise in crime in them areas then compare the figures to each other.

I'm not 100% but that's the way I would look at it.

[limboninja]

Originally Posted by C-J

the majority of offences on that list hit their peak before the recession hit. The majority (over 80%) of public order offences involve alcohol, and so the drastic decrease in statistics related to po offences is simply due to a vast decline in alcohol and drug consumption in this country due to the recession. Public order offences are still rife but down from their peak. Every single thing on that list relates to the recession. I have studied drug and alcohol addiction specifically for ags and the recession has had a major impact on our habits and our patterns of consumption. Firearm offences are also drastically down as drug gangs are feeling the pinch!

I've seen a small and steady rise Trespass offences, Prostitution and a small but sharpish rise in Social code offences...and with the closure of 31 stations and phones not being answered at night surely they will just continue to rise as properties become easier targets for criminals?!?!