[Plates]

Without non turf wickets - there will be a limit to the number of new players and new clubs playing cricket in Ireland. Non turf wickets are realistically the only way a new club can get off the ground. By your logic - all new entrants to cricket in Leinster will have a limit imposed on how far they can be promoted - regardless of the quality of their teams, players, ground, facilities, youth set up etc.

Hardly seems fair - does it?

[D3PO]

Originally Posted by Cots

A pitch cannot be re-used more than once in a div 1 or 2 season so your point of cracks over a number of games is still off the mark

Thats just not accurate at all. Last season out in North County they played a game on a saturday and then a monday on the same track

[D3PO]

Originally Posted by Plates

Care to enlighten us on which wickets in Leinster senior cricket you deem to be "proper wickets"? All the turf ones - regardless of quality?

i asked you the opposite of wht wickets you deem to be below a decent standard and you have refused to answer. you ahve a bit of a cheek to ask the opposite if your not prepared to answer yourself.

[djimi]

Originally Posted by Plates

Without non turf wickets - there will be a limit to the number of new players and new clubs playing cricket in Ireland. Non turf wickets are realistically the only way a new club can get off the ground. By your logic - all new entrants to cricket in Leinster will have a limit imposed on how far they can be promoted - regardless of the quality of their teams, players, ground, facilities, youth set up etc.

Hardly seems fair - does it?

Realistically Im talking about Division 1 and 2 not using mats at all when possible. How many new teams and players do you know that go straight into the top divisions?

Of course new teams may have to use mats, but I would like to think that when a new team starts and develops a ground it is with a view to developing a square capable of turf wickets at some point in the future, especially if they have serious ambitions of getting into the top divisions.

[Cots]

Originally Posted by D3PO

Thats just not accurate at all. Last season out in North County they played a game on a saturday and then a monday on the same track

Of course it's accurate I said cannot be REused more than once, ie. used more than twice, if they did I'm sure it was well tended to but fair play to them for trying a bit of variety on the track

[Gordon Gecko]

Originally Posted by Plates

Fixation isn't quite the right word. I am however a strong believer that artificial wickets of a high quality enable a high quality of cricket to be played on them and play a significant role in player development at all levels - and will be essential if cricket is to grow both in number and reach in Ireland.

I've yet to see a cricketing based argument against the use of good quality artificial wickets.

I've no more fixation on artificials than a number of people on here seem to have with turf.

But you consider Sandyford (which is an out and out brutal mat) to be good quality?

[Plates]

Originally Posted by Gordon Gecko

But you consider Sandyford (which is an out and out brutal mat) to be good quality?

I've never played on the mat in Sandyford.

[Bobo148]

Originally Posted by Cots

Of course it's accurate I said cannot be REused more than once, ie. used more than twice, if they did I'm sure it was well tended to but fair play to them for trying a bit of variety on the track

No, it's still inaccurate and a gross misrepresentation of the facts. There is no limit to the number of times that a pitch can be used in Leinster cricket.

Sure ask Plates, he'll be able to tell you that there are no regulations on the standards of turf pitches that need to be used. He bangs on about it enough.

[Cots]

Originally Posted by Gordon Gecko

But you consider Sandyford (which is an out and out brutal mat) to be good quality?

I said the Sandyford mat was good for spinners and offered them the same help as a newly prepared grass wicket, I still said it was massivley uneven in bounce and gave one of many ridiculous examples of such

[Cots]

Originally Posted by Bobo148

No, it's still inaccurate and a gross misrepresentation of the facts. There is no limit to the number of times that a pitch can be used in Leinster cricket.

Sure ask Plates, he'll be able to tell you that there are no regulations on the standards of turf pitches that need to be used. He bangs on about it enough.

I'll be honest with you Bobo, I'll believe that when I see a team using the same wicket 5 and 6 times in the season, why else would teams have such big squares when it would obviously be cheaper to just have 3 or 4 wickets and keep re-using them, the other reason I'm sure there's a regulation around somewhere is wasnt the Phoenix-Tarf game in Tarf called off due to an unplayable pitch on it's second time being used?

[Bobo148]

Originally Posted by Cots

I'll be honest with you Bobo, I'll believe that when I see a team using the same wicket 5 and 6 times in the season, why else would teams have such big squares when it would obviously be cheaper to just have 3 or 4 wickets and keep re-using them, the other reason I'm sure there's a regulation around somewhere is wasnt the Phoenix-Tarf game in Tarf called off due to an unplayable pitch on it's second time being used?

The thing is that they do, just not all at the same level. Most good groundsmen will use a pitch several times over the course of a season, starting at 1st XI level and often working its way down. It really depends on the number and timing of matches. Have you any experience of grounds with turf pitches? I suspect not.

I don't know what the story was with the match in Clontarf but surely the club would have been punished if a reg existed?

[Cots]

Originally Posted by Bobo148

The thing is that they do, just not all at the same level. Most good groundsmen will use a pitch several times over the course of a season, starting at 1st XI level and often working its way down. It really depends on the number and timing of matches. Have you any experience of grounds with turf pitches? I suspect not.

I don't know what the story was with the match in Clontarf but surely the club would have been punished if a reg existed?

There's no regulation limiting it from being used under senior level, I never said there was.. What I'm saying is I'm fairly sure the reg exists to say there cant be more than 2 senior games on the one wicket, not any other level just senior. Doesnt matter how it's used after that

[TrueDub]

Originally Posted by Cots

There's no regulation limiting it from being used under senior level, I never said there was.. What I'm saying is I'm fairly sure the reg exists to say there cant be more than 2 senior games on the one wicket, not any other level just senior. Doesnt matter how it's used after that

Unless the regs changed a lot in the last season, such a regulation does not exist. The LCU regs are on their website, so you could check if you wished.

[Bobo148]

Originally Posted by Cots

There's no regulation limiting it from being used under senior level, I never said there was.. What I'm saying is I'm fairly sure the reg exists to say there cant be more than 2 senior games on the one wicket, not any other level just senior. Doesnt matter how it's used after that

Your knowledge of the regs is limited.

[Cots]

Originally Posted by Bobo148

Your knowledge of the regs is limited.

Sorry mate know this might be a bit off topic but are you the 'tarf Bobo?