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mccarte2 · 24-02-2012, 11:10

2 I've had a nibble at this morning at what I think are value prices. Both Nick Williams horses.

He's confirmed Swincombe Flame will run in the mares hurdle and not the Coral Cup. Only a few have priced her up for the mares but I've had a nibble e/w at 14's as I think it's a free e/w bet behind Quevega. I'd expect her to go off at less than 10's once VLV is pulled out of the market.

The other is Alfie Spinner in the 4m Novice Chase. NW has confirmed Sam Waley Cohen will ride him. While SWC usually sends shudders up my spine he's not the worst to be on in an all amateurs race, particularly as he knows his way around Cheltenham well. Alfie Spinner was also a decent 3rd last Friday behind Invictus and Bobs Worth and is will be a confirmed runner in the race. Had a nibble at 12's e/w.

ste2010 · 25-02-2012, 18:22

Ted Walsh on C4 was asked who is best value tip for Chelt was today..
His response was Sous les Cieux in the supreme he followed that with he should definitely get in the money. Good news...

Does this answer my long standing question about which race hes going for and am I to assume this info has been filtered through to Ted from some vaguely familiar jockey who is supposedly the son of his..?
Some say Ruby is really the son of Jerel...

Who knows - Thats were bet number 2 has now gone in the supreme @ 25's Sous Les Cieux..

hucklebuck · 25-02-2012, 19:13

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His response was Sous les Cieux in the supreme he followed that with he should definitely get in the money. Good news...

Can't see it myself, he has been poor the last two times. Ted always seems to go for something Ruby rides.

ste2010 · 25-02-2012, 19:34

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His response was Sous les Cieux in the supreme he followed that with he should definitely get in the money. Good news...

Can't see it myself, he has been poor the last two times. Ted always seems to go for something Ruby rides.

Fair point. I was surprised he said he was gojng for the supreme to be honest. I have a hidden hope he turns out to be something serious on better ground but I know I'm going out one limb!

supernova84 · 25-02-2012, 20:17

A lot of the experts say that Sous Les Cieux is a mud lark and I'd have to agree. I reckon he'll be run off his feet in Chelt.

ste2010 · 25-02-2012, 22:32

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A lot of the experts say that Sous Les Cieux is a mud lark and I'd have to agree. I reckon he'll be run off his feet in Chelt.

That's interesting, I've read the opposite. Its taking a punt but Time will tell

only1stevo · 26-02-2012, 00:10

I'd be fairly certain that Sous Les Cieux prefers the better ground.
Didn't look too readied atall for his race at Leopardstown over Xmas, remember someone mentioning to me that day that he'll be sharpened up for bigger prizes.. that day would have been the best ground he's ran on. Ran poorly but he was 100% not 100% for that race.
Not too much hype about him but I'd be fairly interested in Ted's comments and might have a bet on the day.

Hulk Hands · 26-02-2012, 13:05

Just had a fair whack on Ruby Walsh for top jockey at 8/11 with William Hill. Think it's a superb price

POINTBREAK · 26-02-2012, 13:12

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Just had a fair whack on Ruby Walsh for top jockey at 8/11 with William Hill. Think it's a superb price

Looks a bit too good to be true but might be a bit short if Nichols stable isn't firing.

**UrbanSea** · 26-02-2012, 13:15

Had three winners the other day. Much more encouraging

Hulk Hands · 26-02-2012, 13:18

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Looks a bit too good to be true but might be a bit short if Nichols stable isn't firing.

I'd be more concerned if Mullins wasn't firing. If he gets Big Bucks up from Nicholls string alone i'd be happy. Nicholls/Walsh do seem to have an outsider win at nearly every festival though

Hulk Hands · 26-02-2012, 13:21

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Had three winners the other day. Much more encouraging

Yeah, was impressed with Dodging Bullets even though he got beaten. I think he could reverse form with Grumeti next time out.

That either doesn't say much for Grumeti's chances in the Triumph, or it enhances the chances of Pearl Swan, seeing as Nicholls says that's his best

POINTBREAK · 26-02-2012, 14:04

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Had three winners the other day. Much more encouraging

Saw that ,and hopefully he has turned the corner. 5 from his last 45 is a bit of a concern when you look at his normal strike rate of over 20%. Fingers crossed.

Morleystreet · 26-02-2012, 14:27

Any thoughts on following bet in PP. it's for SP fav for gold cup. They go 8/15 long run and 6/4 kauto. Long run generally about 2/1 n 9/4 and kauto around 3/1 n 7/2. Presume the public money will come for kauto on the day, but will the professional money be on long run. Could you see kauto going off as fav. I think long run will start fav.

slaneylad · 26-02-2012, 14:32

If kauto wins will he go down as the best there ever was?

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24-02-2012, 11:10	#781
mccarte2 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 289 Adverts \| Friends	2 I've had a nibble at this morning at what I think are value prices. Both Nick Williams horses. He's confirmed Swincombe Flame will run in the mares hurdle and not the Coral Cup. Only a few have priced her up for the mares but I've had a nibble e/w at 14's as I think it's a free e/w bet behind Quevega. I'd expect her to go off at less than 10's once VLV is pulled out of the market. The other is Alfie Spinner in the 4m Novice Chase. NW has confirmed Sam Waley Cohen will ride him. While SWC usually sends shudders up my spine he's not the worst to be on in an all amateurs race, particularly as he knows his way around Cheltenham well. Alfie Spinner was also a decent 3rd last Friday behind Invictus and Bobs Worth and is will be a confirmed runner in the race. Had a nibble at 12's e/w.

25-02-2012, 18:22	#782
ste2010 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,421 Adverts \| Friends	Ted Walsh on C4 was asked who is best value tip for Chelt was today.. His response was Sous les Cieux in the supreme he followed that with he should definitely get in the money. Good news... Does this answer my long standing question about which race hes going for and am I to assume this info has been filtered through to Ted from some vaguely familiar jockey who is supposedly the son of his..? Some say Ruby is really the son of Jerel... Who knows - Thats were bet number 2 has now gone in the supreme @ 25's Sous Les Cieux..

25-02-2012, 20:17	#785
supernova84 Closed Account Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 943 Adverts \| Friends	A lot of the experts say that Sous Les Cieux is a mud lark and I'd have to agree. I reckon he'll be run off his feet in Chelt.

26-02-2012, 00:10	#787
only1stevo Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,492 Adverts \| Friends	I'd be fairly certain that Sous Les Cieux prefers the better ground. Didn't look too readied atall for his race at Leopardstown over Xmas, remember someone mentioning to me that day that he'll be sharpened up for bigger prizes.. that day would have been the best ground he's ran on. Ran poorly but he was 100% not 100% for that race. Not too much hype about him but I'd be fairly interested in Ted's comments and might have a bet on the day.

26-02-2012, 13:05	#788
Hulk Hands Registered User Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,525 Adverts \| Friends	Just had a fair whack on Ruby Walsh for top jockey at 8/11 with William Hill. Think it's a superb price

26-02-2012, 13:15	#790
UrbanSea Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sligo Posts: 15,009 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Horse Racing, Sligo	Had three winners the other day. Much more encouraging

26-02-2012, 14:27	#794
Morleystreet Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 42 Adverts \| Friends	Any thoughts on following bet in PP. it's for SP fav for gold cup. They go 8/15 long run and 6/4 kauto. Long run generally about 2/1 n 9/4 and kauto around 3/1 n 7/2. Presume the public money will come for kauto on the day, but will the professional money be on long run. Could you see kauto going off as fav. I think long run will start fav.

26-02-2012, 14:32	#795
slaneylad Registered User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 153 Adverts \| Friends	If kauto wins will he go down as the best there ever was?