[limo_100]

Originally Posted by flatout11

feck all me thinks but i hope im wrong..........
but what have any of the pg charo bulls left (excluding the ones inherited from the original Sligo ai), MDO and HWN were ok bulls (but thats going back a bit), Cf 85 showed promise (short career) pxu was mixed ........ and as for the other multitude of sires they have had......... nothing really jumping out at me - maybe im missed the real good one

i no they have not had a good bull that really excelled since cf52. i liked cottage got some great calves dis year form him he brought some serious muscle but now hes gone to. (ps i no hes had his critics on here but i cant fault him all calved unassisted). and iv one more to come round the middle of jan so we'll see. Iv started using icar now but hes not theres.

[flatout11]

Originally Posted by limo_100

i no they have not had a good bull that really excelled since cf52. i liked cottage got some great calves dis year form him he brought some serious muscle but now hes gone to. (ps i no hes had his critics on here but i cant fault him all calved unassisted). and iv one more to come round the middle of jan so we'll see. Iv started using icar now but hes not theres.

i dunno they have spent enough over the past few years they might want to give the cheque book to a different person next time!

[Bodacious]

Originally Posted by limo_100

i no they have not had a good bull that really excelled since cf52. i liked cottage got some great calves dis year form him he brought some serious muscle but now hes gone to. (ps i no hes had his critics on here but i cant fault him all calved unassisted). and iv one more to come round the middle of jan so we'll see. Iv started using icar now but hes not theres.

did cottage Devon get the deadener in the IBR cull? big loss Didn't they give savage money for him?!

[limo_100]

Originally Posted by Bodacious

did cottage Devon get the deadener in the IBR cull? big loss Didn't they give savage money for him?!

i'm afraid he bit the bullet aswell.... they gave 20000 for him but im sure he woz wel insured did ya use him

[whelan1]

Originally Posted by bogman_bass

unless you know an AI man with straws in his pot you're out of luck. all gone for pedigree or otherwise.

have asked my ai man 5 or 6 times for a list of my straws that are in his flask feck sake wouldnt kill him to look- part of the reason i dont use alot of ai is the ai man

[tanko]

Originally Posted by whelan1

have asked my ai man 5 or 6 times for a list of my straws that are in his flask feck sake wouldnt kill him to look- part of the reason i dont use alot of ai is the ai man

Maybe you should consider doing DIY ai? You could ai them when it suits urself to do them. Also, you can have the straws you need ready in your own flask ready to use and even build up a supply of straws from a popular bull which you mightn't be able to get in the future.

[BelgianBlue13]

hows RWS for calving?

[Bodacious]

Originally Posted by flatout11

not a patch on his sire BYU unfortunately

I'm leaning towards agreeing with this statement ... Have seen nothing to write home about from AZL

[limo_100]

Originally Posted by BelgianBlue13

hows RWS for calving?

a neighbour had one from a second calver. had a bull calf unassisted nice quality calf. I have used him this year as well on a second calver

[pakalasa]

Originally Posted by Bodacious

I'm leaning towards agreeing with this statement ... Have seen nothing to write home about from AZL

I used him (AZL) on one cow last year hoping he'd improve on FHZ and add more muscle. He didn't, disappointed with him. Calf is very growthy though.

[limo_100]

Originally Posted by pakalasa

I used him (AZL) on one cow last year hoping he'd improve on FHZ and add more muscle. He didn't, disappointed with him. Calf is very growthy though.

did you find AZL calves started very small before growing. I have one AZL calf and im fairly happy with her( i put up a picture in the photo thread of her a couple of weeks ago). What are you gona put on the cow dis year pak? I used KYR instead of him

[pakalasa]

I used ADX this year on the same cow, from what I remember. Maybe get a replacement. I've stopped using BB's on the plainer cows. They just don't bring the muscle.

[limo_100]

Originally Posted by pakalasa

I used ADX this year on the same cow, from what I remember. Maybe get a replacement. I've stopped using BB's on the plainer cows. They just don't bring the muscle.

i had an ADX calf form a small blue second calver i have to say im very impressed nice stylish calf with very defined muscleing

[Bodacious]

Originally Posted by pakalasa

I've stopped using BB's on the plainer cows. They just don't bring the muscle.

+1

Great statement... unless muscle on cow side also you are better off with a good heavy yellow or white farmers calf for selling than a middle-of -the- road blue not good enough for the boat, too many people myself included expecting too much from the sire

[Bodacious]

Originally Posted by limo_100

did you find AZL calves started very small before growing. I have one AZL calf and im fairly happy with her( i put up a picture in the photo thread of her a couple of weeks ago). What are you gona put on the cow dis year pak? I used KYR instead of him

only 2 from him here but have seen loads and nothing serious anyway, heifer calf was a sprat when calved but developed well, will be tall and prob make a tall breeding heifer but no major muscle, bull calf was the opposite.. born big and had great hopes for him but he wont be anything special either again tall and square behind but no serious muscle to him.. will post pics soon