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dowlingm · 25-10-2011, 16:55

A pedestrian way is great but given the traffic around Mahon (especially Mahon Point) now it's a pity it couldn't be either a bendybusway or a LUAS which could also have spurred the now stalled redevelopment on the south docklands.

n97 mini · 26-10-2011, 16:50

Not a closed line as such.

Re-open Glasnevin Station and run a proper (electric) service on the Maynooth line.

Rud · 26-10-2011, 20:48

Ideally the line i would like to see open again is the old Wolfhill branch line at the end of my hometown station in Athy.It would be great if Tegral ran cement trains on this line and out through the station again but of course that will never ever happen especially as there's plans to put a relief road down part of the old line but that might never happen either.

By the way does anybody have pictures of the cement trains on this line by any chance or know of any links to pictures??

Niles · 26-10-2011, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Rud

Ideally the line i would like to see open again is the old Wolfhill branch line at the end of my hometown station in Athy.It would be great if Tegral ran cement trains on this line and out through the station again but of course that will never ever happen especially as there's plans to put a relief road down part of the old line but that might never happen either.

By the way does anybody have pictures of the cement trains on this line by any chance or know of any links to pictures??

There's one here, at least I assume this was taken on the branch.

http://www.irrs.ie/Journal%20149/149%20Operations.htm

roundymac · 27-10-2011, 10:46

Youghal section of the Middleton line reinstated.

Monty Burnz · 27-10-2011, 10:53

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Originally Posted by dmcronin

The Cork, Blackrock and Passage for sure. A commuter line before the word 'commuter' was invented.

Did that line originally go all the way out to Crosshaven, through Carrigaline? That would be a superb facility, taking urban folks out to the seaside and commuters into the city - I don't know if the passenger numbers would merit the expense though. Something more like a large tram might do the business though.

Edit: ah yes, just saw the map on this page...

corktina · 27-10-2011, 12:04

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Originally Posted by Monty Burnz

. Something more like a large tram might do the business though.

...

or a bus....

Monty Burnz · 27-10-2011, 12:06

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Originally Posted by corktina

or a bus....

I'm thinking of something a little more comfortable, a little faster, and a lot more punctual than a bus. Does anybody forced to use a bus view it as anything other than a misery?

corktina · 27-10-2011, 12:30

hardly likely that anyone would spend millions reinstating a line like this for an occasional tramload of holidaymakers when it could be done now for almost nothing.

Monty Burnz · 27-10-2011, 12:48

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Originally Posted by corktina

hardly likely that anyone would spend millions reinstating a line like this for an occasional tramload of holidaymakers when it could be done now for almost nothing.

It wouldn't be for holiday makers, it would be for the thousands of commuters who do the daily grind from Carrigaline and environs into the city every day. If the line went all the way out to Crosshaven, so much the better - that would be a social amenity rather than the purely functional one of shifting workers and students from the town to the city.

You can see the old station and platform in centre of picture here, oddly enough still more or less in the centre of the town (although an almighty walk from the outskirts, which would be an issue I guess for a tram/train line).

http://maps.google.be/maps?q=carriga...eland&t=h&z=18

corktina · 27-10-2011, 13:07

the Crosshaven bit which I assumed you were referring to is very rural and there would be few commuters from there. I have already said that perhaps the line as far as Carrigaline might have potential.

This line is in fact remarably intact seeing as it closed around 80 years ago. Much of the bit beyond Carrigaline is a well-used footpath

roundymac · 27-10-2011, 14:10

Judgeing by the remaining bridge/embankments the carrigaline/Crosser section was considerbly raised. If you look at the bit by Lidl supermarket roundabout you will see the height of the embankment. Also at Drake's pool you can see the remains of bridge where the line crossed the road. Across the road from the RCYC if you look up past the garden centre you will see the remains if the viaduct,what ever chance you have of the Carrigaline/Cork section reopening you can forget about Crosshaven.

dermo88 · 27-10-2011, 18:08

roundymac

Good to see you here on the board, another good poster from IRN. Well, Cork commuter services certainly did get hit pretty hard all the way from the 1930's to the 1960's.

I think its a case that Cork having different termini and different operating systems doomed it in the long term. Capwell as a Terminus for both Cork and Macroom services and the lines out to Midleton and Cobh would serve the city centre better.

The money to improve and invest the system also did not exist. I used to....when I was younger compare Ireland to Switzerland/Austria/Germany/France. It was an incredibly naive approach in the broader scheme of things, but looking at the bigger picture, I realised, it was one thing to build, quite another to maintain. There also was not the money around to do it, as Ireland was quite a poor country compared to its continental counterparts.

There may also be a difference in sentiment towards rail transport, and possibly.....in my eyes anyway, a lot of lip service. The towns, and county councillors, local politicians and who ever else WANT the service, but when it comes to maintaining and paying for it, won't shell out a cent towards it. Thats a matter for central government in Dublin.

The words of Liam StJohn Devlin carry through:

In Britain the passengers pay.
In Europe the government pays.
In Ireland noone pays.

This was when he was going cap in hand to get money from the Department of Finance to quite literally save Dublin suburban services in the 1970's, when they were an absolute shambles due to continued lack of investment and massive operational losses. This was down to successive governments who listened to the likes of Sean D Barrett and took his word as gospel.

I was never so fanatical to say "reopen all". Thats the kind of romantic view peddled by the likes of Brian Guckian who in my personal opinion is quite mislead, and maybe even insular. Its a case of being pragmatic. Certainly, without the track formation being submerged by the Lee Hydroelectric project, Cork to Macroom would thrive today. Waterford to Tramore is another possible case.

But they are'nt there. Its nice to indulge in the hypothetical "what if". But another "what if" is....

What if Ireland had been allowed to buy GM/Nohabs in the first place.

Bullnose locomotives......drools.....(better clean my mouth lads)

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25-10-2011, 16:55	#16
dowlingm Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 4,338 Adverts \| Friends	A pedestrian way is great but given the traffic around Mahon (especially Mahon Point) now it's a pity it couldn't be either a bendybusway or a LUAS which could also have spurred the now stalled redevelopment on the south docklands.

26-10-2011, 16:50	#17
n97 mini Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,112 Adverts \| Friends	Not a closed line as such. Re-open Glasnevin Station and run a proper (electric) service on the Maynooth line.

26-10-2011, 20:48	#18
Rud Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Up on the hill Posts: 833 Adverts \| Friends	Ideally the line i would like to see open again is the old Wolfhill branch line at the end of my hometown station in Athy.It would be great if Tegral ran cement trains on this line and out through the station again but of course that will never ever happen especially as there's plans to put a relief road down part of the old line but that might never happen either. By the way does anybody have pictures of the cement trains on this line by any chance or know of any links to pictures??

27-10-2011, 10:46	#20
roundymac Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Near Cork. Posts: 765 Adverts \| Friends	Youghal section of the Middleton line reinstated.

27-10-2011, 12:30	#24
corktina Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: not sure Posts: 11,725 Adverts \| Friends	hardly likely that anyone would spend millions reinstating a line like this for an occasional tramload of holidaymakers when it could be done now for almost nothing.

27-10-2011, 13:07	#26
corktina Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: not sure Posts: 11,725 Adverts \| Friends	the Crosshaven bit which I assumed you were referring to is very rural and there would be few commuters from there. I have already said that perhaps the line as far as Carrigaline might have potential. This line is in fact remarably intact seeing as it closed around 80 years ago. Much of the bit beyond Carrigaline is a well-used footpath

27-10-2011, 14:10	#27
roundymac Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Near Cork. Posts: 765 Adverts \| Friends	Judgeing by the remaining bridge/embankments the carrigaline/Crosser section was considerbly raised. If you look at the bit by Lidl supermarket roundabout you will see the height of the embankment. Also at Drake's pool you can see the remains of bridge where the line crossed the road. Across the road from the RCYC if you look up past the garden centre you will see the remains if the viaduct,what ever chance you have of the Carrigaline/Cork section reopening you can forget about Crosshaven.

27-10-2011, 18:08	#28
dermo88 Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 977 Adverts \| Friends	roundymac Good to see you here on the board, another good poster from IRN. Well, Cork commuter services certainly did get hit pretty hard all the way from the 1930's to the 1960's. I think its a case that Cork having different termini and different operating systems doomed it in the long term. Capwell as a Terminus for both Cork and Macroom services and the lines out to Midleton and Cobh would serve the city centre better. The money to improve and invest the system also did not exist. I used to....when I was younger compare Ireland to Switzerland/Austria/Germany/France. It was an incredibly naive approach in the broader scheme of things, but looking at the bigger picture, I realised, it was one thing to build, quite another to maintain. There also was not the money around to do it, as Ireland was quite a poor country compared to its continental counterparts. There may also be a difference in sentiment towards rail transport, and possibly.....in my eyes anyway, a lot of lip service. The towns, and county councillors, local politicians and who ever else WANT the service, but when it comes to maintaining and paying for it, won't shell out a cent towards it. Thats a matter for central government in Dublin. The words of Liam StJohn Devlin carry through: In Britain the passengers pay. In Europe the government pays. In Ireland noone pays. This was when he was going cap in hand to get money from the Department of Finance to quite literally save Dublin suburban services in the 1970's, when they were an absolute shambles due to continued lack of investment and massive operational losses. This was down to successive governments who listened to the likes of Sean D Barrett and took his word as gospel. I was never so fanatical to say "reopen all". Thats the kind of romantic view peddled by the likes of Brian Guckian who in my personal opinion is quite mislead, and maybe even insular. Its a case of being pragmatic. Certainly, without the track formation being submerged by the Lee Hydroelectric project, Cork to Macroom would thrive today. Waterford to Tramore is another possible case. But they are'nt there. Its nice to indulge in the hypothetical "what if". But another "what if" is.... What if Ireland had been allowed to buy GM/Nohabs in the first place. Bullnose locomotives......drools.....(better clean my mouth lads)