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Piliger · 22-10-2011, 18:26

It's all well and good buying a Kindle. A nice gadget. But be aware of the control it will have over your reading !

You have to buy at their prices, instead of having access to the fantastic range of indie book sellers across the web and self pub'ed titles too. If you decide later to change device you can't. You are controlled by their security software. There is the wireless delivery fee. And Amazon have complete access to your library, to remove titles if they chose or not. You pay almost as much for an eBook as a paper book. But you can't read it on other devices, lend it, keep it safe for ten years. You buy at full price but they only agree to 'lend' the eBook to you.

A tablet or smart phone is the only way to get value and a choice of where to buy at good prices. And learning to make backups on your PC, and remove DRM is the only way to keep your titles safe and available later if you change devices.

I use an iPhone and intent to use a tablet soon. I like the Kindles and would like to have one. But I am not going to hand control over my purchases to Amazon.

Zimmerframe · 22-10-2011, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Piliger

It's all well and good buying a Kindle. A nice gadget. But be aware of the control it will have over your reading !

You have to buy at their prices, instead of having access to the fantastic range of indie book sellers across the web and self pub'ed titles too. If you decide later to change device you can't. You are controlled by their security software. There is the wireless delivery fee. And Amazon have complete access to your library, to remove titles if they chose or not. You pay almost as much for an eBook as a paper book. But you can't read it on other devices, lend it, keep it safe for ten years. You buy at full price but they only agree to 'lend' the eBook to you.

A tablet or smart phone is the only way to get value and a choice of where to buy at good prices. And learning to make backups on your PC, and remove DRM is the only way to keep your titles safe and available later if you change devices.

I use an iPhone and intent to use a tablet soon. I like the Kindles and would like to have one. But I am not going to hand control over my purchases to Amazon.

You can read your kindle book on every pc, every mac, every iPhone, every iPad, every windows mobile, every android phone every android tablet and every blackberry etc.

You can, and I do have hundreds of books on my Kindle, none of which came from Amazon.

Far as I know, there is no wireless delivery fee, on any purchase.

richardw001 · 22-10-2011, 21:43

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Originally Posted by Piliger

It's all well and good buying a Kindle. A nice gadget. But be aware of the control it will have over your reading !

You have to buy at their prices, instead of having access to the fantastic range of indie book sellers across the web and self pub'ed titles too. If you decide later to change device you can't. You are controlled by their security software. There is the wireless delivery fee. And Amazon have complete access to your library, to remove titles if they chose or not. You pay almost as much for an eBook as a paper book. But you can't read it on other devices, lend it, keep it safe for ten years. You buy at full price but they only agree to 'lend' the eBook to you.

A tablet or smart phone is the only way to get value and a choice of where to buy at good prices. And learning to make backups on your PC, and remove DRM is the only way to keep your titles safe and available later if you change devices.

I use an iPhone and intent to use a tablet soon. I like the Kindles and would like to have one. But I am not going to hand control over my purchases to Amazon.

Well have to say (typing from my iPhone) there's no comparison in reading on a tablet or iPhone to reading on an ereader
Re the kindle i think it offers the best value and is arguably the most mainstream ereader
The control aspect in terms of buying from the amazon store and ownership afterwards is something I can live with - as I can buy from other sources and transfer onto the kindle if I want a book
One nice thing is that at least I know that new releases can be preordered and will download automatically and there is a better chance of getting them on the same date as the proper book comes out - given amazons clout in the market place.
There is of course book ownership issues on amazon store purchased content - however for popular fiction is more a disposable purchase than something that you want to keep and treasure ! For those special books that you know you will re-read I would recommend buying somewhere else and keeping in calibre - you can always download to the kindle
Removing drm is a whole different thing and I'm not sure if it is something discuss able on boards

Kernel · 23-10-2011, 15:25

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Originally Posted by richardw001

Removing drm is a whole different thing and I'm not sure if it is something discuss able on boards

I don't see why not, it's not a crime as far as I am aware. It's copyright infringement maybe, or maybe even as minor as breaking the terms and conditions.

japanesebanana · 23-10-2011, 19:52

Has anyone used the kindle for reading technical pdfs or journal articles?

Zimmerframe · 23-10-2011, 20:00

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Originally Posted by japanesebanana

Has anyone used the kindle for reading technical pdfs or journal articles?

Yep, it's ok .ish

As I said earlier, imho it's brilliant for reading books or newspaper articles, I don't think its very good for anything else including pdf's, browsing etc.
For technical manuals, pdf's, I reckon you need color and probably touchscreen like an iPad or similar.

Jimoslimos · 23-10-2011, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Piliger

I use an iPhone and intent to use a tablet soon. I like the Kindles and would like to have one. But I am not going to hand control over my purchases to Amazon.

Ironic much, coming from an iPhone user.

In many ways Amazon is trying to mimic Apple's success with iPods/phones and iTunes.

cyprien · 25-10-2011, 21:43

I'd like to know when the Kindle Touch is available in Ireland too, have just discovered release date Nov 21 is for USA only. Was all set to buy one in PC World for Xmas!

NicoleL88 · 25-10-2011, 22:29

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Originally Posted by ctlsleh

Where does that leave you in terms of buying books? If you buy the kindle from amazon us, does it mean that you only get US books?
What's the difference if you buy it from PC world in terms of the books you can buy?
Thanks.

You have to buy books from Amazon.com, yeah.

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Originally Posted by cyprien

I'd like to know when the Kindle Touch is available in Ireland too, have just discovered release date Nov 21 is for USA only. Was all set to buy one in PC World for Xmas!

There is no set date for the Kindle Touch or Kindle Fire to be released in the UK yet, let alone Ireland. Keep checking both websites for info.

pauleoin · 26-10-2011, 11:33

Tesco Nutgrove shopping center have the new keyboardless kindle on sale a E115 2 security taged boxes on display this morning. Think it was this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0051QVF7...sa_menu_kdptq2

They also have the keyboard model for around E175

saraocallaghan · 28-10-2011, 12:54

Thanks for your post Richard!

So if I buy my kindle in PC World/Curry's, it's cheaper than buying online and I'll be downloading my content from amazon.com? Not that it makes a bit of difference!

richardw001 · 28-10-2011, 14:09

When I bought - the prices worked out less - and I think they still are. What you don't have to do is wait for the mail - and you can bug the people on the currys/pc world boards forum if you have problems :-)

I've heard rumours that Tesco sell them as well - not sure if they are selling them in Ireland though.

The cheapest option - is to buy the ad supported version in the US. If you have a way of getting it shipped to a postal address in the states and then pick it up. Aside from that option everything else seems to be more expensive than going into a local PC World.

Regarding buying books - with Calibre you can download from pretty much where ever you like and convert. Of course you also have the convenience of being able to download from Amazon.

Here's something else that might interest people

http://overdrive.com/news/OverDrive-...Library-eBooks

Not here yet unfortunately - if you had a NY library card - you could probably dispense with buying from amazon completely :-)

positron · 29-10-2011, 14:16

Huge pile of Kindle 4s as you enter Tesco Drogheda as well - €115, I think they will shift thousands this Christmas season. Come Jan most bus/train commuters will be reading Kindles..!

PaddyBloggit · 01-11-2011, 23:53

And I see them being advertised on the telly so the chances are they'll be a big Christmas hit.

*Tar.Aldarion* · 12-11-2011, 22:15

Can you even get the non-3g wifi only kindle any more?

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Piliger Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Dublin/London Posts: 2,571 Adverts \| Friends	It's all well and good buying a Kindle. A nice gadget. But be aware of the control it will have over your reading ! You have to buy at their prices, instead of having access to the fantastic range of indie book sellers across the web and self pub'ed titles too. If you decide later to change device you can't. You are controlled by their security software. There is the wireless delivery fee. And Amazon have complete access to your library, to remove titles if they chose or not. You pay almost as much for an eBook as a paper book. But you can't read it on other devices, lend it, keep it safe for ten years. You buy at full price but they only agree to 'lend' the eBook to you. A tablet or smart phone is the only way to get value and a choice of where to buy at good prices. And learning to make backups on your PC, and remove DRM is the only way to keep your titles safe and available later if you change devices. I use an iPhone and intent to use a tablet soon. I like the Kindles and would like to have one. But I am not going to hand control over my purchases to Amazon.

23-10-2011, 19:52	#65
japanesebanana Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Galway Posts: 87 Adverts \| Friends	Has anyone used the kindle for reading technical pdfs or journal articles?

26-10-2011, 11:33	#70
pauleoin Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Dublin Posts: 99 Adverts \| Friends	Tesco Nutgrove shopping center have the new keyboardless kindle on sale a E115 2 security taged boxes on display this morning. Think it was this one http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0051QVF7...sa_menu_kdptq2 They also have the keyboard model for around E175

28-10-2011, 12:54	#71
saraocallaghan Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Monaghan/Dublin Posts: 169 Adverts \| Friends	Thanks for your post Richard! So if I buy my kindle in PC World/Curry's, it's cheaper than buying online and I'll be downloading my content from amazon.com? Not that it makes a bit of difference!

28-10-2011, 14:09	#72
richardw001 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 370 Adverts \| Friends	When I bought - the prices worked out less - and I think they still are. What you don't have to do is wait for the mail - and you can bug the people on the currys/pc world boards forum if you have problems :-) I've heard rumours that Tesco sell them as well - not sure if they are selling them in Ireland though. The cheapest option - is to buy the ad supported version in the US. If you have a way of getting it shipped to a postal address in the states and then pick it up. Aside from that option everything else seems to be more expensive than going into a local PC World. Regarding buying books - with Calibre you can download from pretty much where ever you like and convert. Of course you also have the convenience of being able to download from Amazon. Here's something else that might interest people http://overdrive.com/news/OverDrive-...Library-eBooks Not here yet unfortunately - if you had a NY library card - you could probably dispense with buying from amazon completely :-)

29-10-2011, 14:16	#73
positron Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Drogheda Posts: 3,808 Adverts \| Friends	Huge pile of Kindle 4s as you enter Tesco Drogheda as well - €115, I think they will shift thousands this Christmas season. Come Jan most bus/train commuters will be reading Kindles..!

01-11-2011, 23:53	#74
PaddyBloggit Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 294 Adverts \| Friends	And I see them being advertised on the telly so the chances are they'll be a big Christmas hit.

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Tar.Aldarion /flails limbs Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: home :) Posts: 49,245 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Knights of the Round Table, Sleeping & Dreaming, Spell Czechs, The Cuckoo's Nest, Vegan & Vegetarian	Can you even get the non-3g wifi only kindle any more?