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OldeCinemaSoz · 17-01-2012, 22:56

it's a pity that john RIP barry won't be back to do the soundtrack although getting annie lennox to do the vocals might be nice...

it's not craig that's the problem imho it's the whole decline of the franchise...

basically the bond film needs reinvention. and how it could do that i've no idea...

Mister Jingles · 17-01-2012, 23:04

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Originally Posted by OldeCinemaSoz

it's a pity that john RIP barry won't be back to do the soundtrack although getting annie lennox to do the vocals might be nice...

it's not craig that's the problem imho it's the whole decline of the franchise...

basically the bond film needs reinvention. and how it could do that i've no idea...

To be fair though it did get that with Casio Royal. Darker, no gadget nonsense (Q), more violent and Craig making an effort especially with his fight scenes.

I used to love watching Bond films when I was younger (I'm still young btw

) and that would include Moore's ones as well however I reckon if was to go back today and look at them all again (moore ones) I would probably cringe especially with A View To A Kill. He was 58 making that I believe.

OldeCinemaSoz · 19-01-2012, 17:37

well it seems the whole thing is going to be reinvented in Bognor Regis...?!?!?

"The previous 'Bond' instalment 'Quantum of Solace' was shot in six countries; Italy, Spain, Mexico, the UK, Panama and Chile...."

and we all know how a pile of cow dung THAT turned out to be!

Liamario · 19-01-2012, 17:51

I think most people can agree that Casino Royale was the reinvention they needed. Quantum of Solace unfortunately decided to go back to the series' roots; which was a big mistake.
If the can use Casino Royale as a starting point and continue to explore the darker side of Bond, they can rejuvenate the series

dr gonzo · 20-01-2012, 00:54

I think the real problem with the Bond films (perfectly exemplified by QoS) is that the filmmakers are either afraid or forbidden to veer away from the original material. For example Quantum of Solace was serious bottom of the barrel stuff because the went digging through Flemings notes for anything that hadnt been made already.

Now the new film might be original, so apologies if im way off, but considering how much crap they stripped off for Casino Royal, Bond as a character is really all that remains and matters. After that they just need a good screenwriter to come up with an action story that involves various locations and a hot girl, et voila, a new bond story that doesnt rely on Flemings dregs.

senordingdong · 20-01-2012, 21:14

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I think the real problem with the Bond films a new bond story that doesnt rely on Flemings dregs.

Is that to say that all previous 22 Bond films were all based on some form of story that Flemming had written?

krudler · 20-01-2012, 22:39

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Is that to say that all previous 22 Bond films were all based on some form of story that Flemming had written?

a lot of them, some were amalgamations of other stories afaik.

I didnt mind QOS so much, its not awful, just a bit flat, and its got a fantastic opening sequence.

senordingdong · 21-01-2012, 16:05

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a lot of them, some were amalgamations of other stories afaik.

I didnt mind QOS so much, its not awful, just a bit flat, and its got a fantastic opening sequence.

The opening sequence was good but I felt it watered down the last scene of CR, which I thought was brilliant end to the film.

OldeCinemaSoz · 23-01-2012, 00:32

What can beat a Bond saving a Countessa from impending suicide, kicking the living daylights out of two big henchmen and only being left with two of her shoes...?!?!

"This never happened to THE OTHER FELLA!!!"

JP Liz V1 · 22-02-2012, 12:49

Sam Mendes first videoblog

foxyboxer · 22-02-2012, 13:49

I believe the Bourne films were the catalyst for instigating a Bond 're-invention'.

The well received 'reality' based action scenes in those films simply rendered the outdated Bond movies redundant.

Casino Royale was a success because of it's literate screenplay, Bourne-esque action sequences and Craig's acclaimed performance (after some harsh criticism of his initial casting). It was hailed as a worthy departure from the Bond formula. However, QOS did not enjoy that 'element of surprise' to which Casino Royale benefited. It was simply a muddled mess of a movie.

Perhaps the Bond producers didn't want to change in the first place but were compelled to do so and felt quite happy to continue on with the bienniel offering of the established formula with the 'cartoon' spy character with his gadgets, blatant product placement and cheesy double entendre's

For realistic spy movies we can include Tinker, Tailor as the standard bearer.
Now we'll have to wait and see what Skyfall will bring.

Bond is such a fantastic character but given his iconic status, there has never been much 'experimentation' if you will. Casino Royale seemed so fresh because it explored the characters origins. QOS was so dull because the character was established and was simply a bulked up, unsmiling, taciturn man on a mission. The movie could have benefited from a little experimentation. For example, have we ever seen Bond have an internal monologue? It could have been an excellent detective story of how Bond, seeking revenge and validation for Vesper's death, longed to uncover the outfit behind her killing. The internal monologues could have been describing the conflict between his hurt feelings say and the need to maintain the composed and cold exterior.

But in QOS we simply see the cold exterior and it doesn't work.
Let's hope they play around with the character more and is not simply a well dressed bouncer again.

spankmaster2000 · 22-02-2012, 14:42

Maybe the Bond series could benefit from the experimentation of a new director with each incarnation; similar to the way that the Mission Impossible series has. (not that they're all good films mind you! But, it could work better for Bond.)

OldeCinemaSoz · 22-02-2012, 19:12

i think helen mirren would be quite fab
as M in skyfall...

senordingdong · 23-02-2012, 21:59

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Originally Posted by spankmaster2000

Maybe the Bond series could benefit from the experimentation of a new director with each incarnation; similar to the way that the Mission Impossible series has. (not that they're all good films mind you! But, it could work better for Bond.)

If each film was it's own episode then yeah, but if they are going for a serial arc like they have with CR/QOS then that would be a disaster.

OldeCinemaSoz · 24-02-2012, 21:53

Craig said recently that Skyfall is going to get back to
basics. Hopefully. After QOS, a Bourne w*nk wanabee,
there can't be very much way but up?

22-02-2012, 13:49	#101
foxyboxer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 123 Fake Street, Got it! Posts: 3,360 Adverts \| Friends	I believe the Bourne films were the catalyst for instigating a Bond 're-invention'. The well received 'reality' based action scenes in those films simply rendered the outdated Bond movies redundant. Casino Royale was a success because of it's literate screenplay, Bourne-esque action sequences and Craig's acclaimed performance (after some harsh criticism of his initial casting). It was hailed as a worthy departure from the Bond formula. However, QOS did not enjoy that 'element of surprise' to which Casino Royale benefited. It was simply a muddled mess of a movie. Perhaps the Bond producers didn't want to change in the first place but were compelled to do so and felt quite happy to continue on with the bienniel offering of the established formula with the 'cartoon' spy character with his gadgets, blatant product placement and cheesy double entendre's For realistic spy movies we can include Tinker, Tailor as the standard bearer. Now we'll have to wait and see what Skyfall will bring. Bond is such a fantastic character but given his iconic status, there has never been much 'experimentation' if you will. Casino Royale seemed so fresh because it explored the characters origins. QOS was so dull because the character was established and was simply a bulked up, unsmiling, taciturn man on a mission. The movie could have benefited from a little experimentation. For example, have we ever seen Bond have an internal monologue? It could have been an excellent detective story of how Bond, seeking revenge and validation for Vesper's death, longed to uncover the outfit behind her killing. The internal monologues could have been describing the conflict between his hurt feelings say and the need to maintain the composed and cold exterior. But in QOS we simply see the cold exterior and it doesn't work. Let's hope they play around with the character more and is not simply a well dressed bouncer again. Last edited by foxyboxer; 22-02-2012 at 13:57.

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17-01-2012, 22:56	#91
OldeCinemaSoz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 664 Adverts \| Friends	it's a pity that john RIP barry won't be back to do the soundtrack although getting annie lennox to do the vocals might be nice... it's not craig that's the problem imho it's the whole decline of the franchise... basically the bond film needs reinvention. and how it could do that i've no idea...

19-01-2012, 17:37	#93
OldeCinemaSoz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 664 Adverts \| Friends	well it seems the whole thing is going to be reinvented in Bognor Regis...?!?!? "The previous 'Bond' instalment 'Quantum of Solace' was shot in six countries; Italy, Spain, Mexico, the UK, Panama and Chile...." and we all know how a pile of cow dung THAT turned out to be!

19-01-2012, 17:51	#94
Liamario Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mullingar Posts: 1,368 Adverts \| Friends	I think most people can agree that Casino Royale was the reinvention they needed. Quantum of Solace unfortunately decided to go back to the series' roots; which was a big mistake. If the can use Casino Royale as a starting point and continue to explore the darker side of Bond, they can rejuvenate the series

20-01-2012, 00:54	#95
dr gonzo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Pale Posts: 1,561 Adverts \| Friends	I think the real problem with the Bond films (perfectly exemplified by QoS) is that the filmmakers are either afraid or forbidden to veer away from the original material. For example Quantum of Solace was serious bottom of the barrel stuff because the went digging through Flemings notes for anything that hadnt been made already. Now the new film might be original, so apologies if im way off, but considering how much crap they stripped off for Casino Royal, Bond as a character is really all that remains and matters. After that they just need a good screenwriter to come up with an action story that involves various locations and a hot girl, et voila, a new bond story that doesnt rely on Flemings dregs.

23-01-2012, 00:32	#99
OldeCinemaSoz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 664 Adverts \| Friends	What can beat a Bond saving a Countessa from impending suicide, kicking the living daylights out of two big henchmen and only being left with two of her shoes...?!?! "This never happened to THE OTHER FELLA!!!"

22-02-2012, 12:49	#100
JP Liz V1 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 19,665 Adverts \| Friends	Sam Mendes first videoblog

22-02-2012, 14:42	#102
spankmaster2000 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 333 Adverts \| Friends	Maybe the Bond series could benefit from the experimentation of a new director with each incarnation; similar to the way that the Mission Impossible series has. (not that they're all good films mind you! But, it could work better for Bond.)

22-02-2012, 19:12	#103
OldeCinemaSoz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 664 Adverts \| Friends	i think helen mirren would be quite fab as M in skyfall...

24-02-2012, 21:53	#105
OldeCinemaSoz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 664 Adverts \| Friends	Craig said recently that Skyfall is going to get back to basics. Hopefully. After QOS, a Bourne w*nk wanabee, there can't be very much way but up?