I'll start off by saying the Rob at the beginning of the debate proclaimed that he couldn't stay around because he had to run to an important meeting about rent allowance, he then stayed for the debate and also afterwards he handed out papers, stood and chatted to people and was there for a good 45 minutes at least... which means he either lied about the rent allowance meeting because he wanted to avoid any confrontation and questioning, or he was happy to leave people waiting on his presence at the meeting. Neither of which is cool.
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Originally Posted by dublindafter
I gotta say I don't ever post on boards.ie nor to I actually care, politically, about anyone in the MSU (I notice FEE keep referring to NUIM and not the MSU which I don't think is fair at all), but the conduct of FEE on Thursday lunchtime to Rob and Naoise was disgraceful.
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Both Naoise and Rob have shown a bit of immaturity and unprofessionalism as of late, but my god FEE were completely out of line too. The two mature students who were with them were obnoxious, opinionated and looking to verbally abuse Rob/ Naoise rather than engage in polite and calm dialogue (you'd think for their age they'd have a bit of cop on). |
Just because there are people who want to voice their opinion it does not make them obnoxious and abusive.
Polite and calm dialogue is great, but when engaging in a debate and one side continually avoids answering the questions, blusters there way through 'answers' then I'm sure you can understand how frustrating that would be for the people on the other side. On many many occasions direct questions were posed to Rob and over and over again he evaded answering them by just either being petty and pointing out minor mistakes such as getting the name of the council wrong or he just listed xyz what the SU had done and avoided answering the question. If someone asks you a direct question, it should be answered concisely and with no bluff and fluff at all.
Don't even get me started on Naoise, who consistently avoided answering any question by just being petty and immature. He also proudly announced that yes he did have a smug smile on his face. He is an SU officer, I don't know how anyone would be comfortable approaching him when he has such a dismissive and condescending attitude to those who he is supposed to represent.
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| I'm guessing LexilipRed was the PhD student in the brown t-shirt shouting his mouth off aggressively, rather than approaching the situation with a bit of decency. If you're a PhD student I'd expect you to be of the age where shouting in people's faces, no matter the circumstances/ passion behind it, is put aside for more appropriate venues. |
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| In our economic climate I understand that €5000 is worth saving, but respecting the dignity of others in the work place is priceless and what FEE did was embarrassing and childish. I cringed at the arguments as I heard them, as they popped their chests and feigned political zealousness, imagining themselves as part of some sort of counter-culture worth mentioning. Student politics has always made me cringe... but this bit the bullet. |
Respecting dignity goes both ways, imo Rob and Naoise were petty and immature in their counter-arguments on Thursday. If a question is put to you - answer it. It's extremely rude I feel to constantly evade and squirm your way out of things when they are put to directly, it shows no respect or concern for the opposing party. When Rob wanted to speak, he spoke. He was given his time to give his side of why it was necessary to have the training in a hotel. Just because he was then challenged on these points does not mean that he was jumped on and attacked
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I think FEE need to find better things to do. Although, yes, I agree that €5000 spent on a training weekend is a tad bit expensive, and that the student reps going should have paid something towards it, I think FEE have bigger fish to fry. Like... I dunno... the abuse of the grant system? The re-introduction of fees? The cost of sambo-coffee combos in O'Briens? FEE used to be cool, man, what happened? |
This year it's €5000 and a night in a hotel, next year it's €5,500 and they're paying for dessert. It's only going to escalate as it continues. It needs to be nipped in the bud. Robs argument all along is that it wouldn't be possible to do it on campus because people would be leaving and going wandering. But he's also said that this type of training has never been done before? Then why couldn't they try it this year on campus and see how it goes, if it doesn't work, rent a function room for the day in a hotel next year, provide busses up and back. I feel that someone had this 'bright idea' to get everyone away and people got caught up in it and were blinded by their own genius (
) that they didn't even try to think of how else it could be done. Why not try it this, less expensive, way, this year and then reflect on it afterwards, see what could be improved and how it could be improved and then maybe alter it for the following year when you can look back and say 'no we did really need to get people off-campus'. At least then they would have an argument to support them. They've said that it couldn't be done on-campus that it wouldn't work, how do they even know that when they're never tried?Quote:
| As for the junket itself, I say go for it. What MSU are trying to do is to develop a stronger democracy through a better class rep system, which I think is a good aim to have. |
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| How that is deployed is another thing. I think having it in Maynooth is a bad idea. If we don't give people some sort of incentives they will slack off. |
