[dead one]

Originally Posted by smokingman

Have you ever had a flu jab? If you have then that's an example of how evolution is affecting you directly.

You'll need another, different one in a while because viruses evolve.

I was once a heavy smoker.. I believe in an intelligent evolution.

[doctoremma]

Originally Posted by dead one

Doc, did baby croc get wings?

No. That would completely turn evolutionary theory on its head. Your winking face is worrying because you clearly don't even understand what evolutionary theory predicts. And that amuses you? Does it mean you think you are in a position to tease?

Originally Posted by dead one

Can mutations create real evolutionary changes? Don’t make any errors here. Mutations are true ; they are the things to observe; Yeah, they also make changes in traits: but the question is, can they create real evolutionary changes'... Do they really produce new traits?

What is the difference between a change in trait (driven by a mutation) and an evolutionary change?

[shizz]

Originally Posted by dead one

Doc, did baby croc get wings?

Can mutations create real evolutionary changes? Don’t make any errors here. Mutations are true ; they are the things to observe; Yeah, they also make changes in traits: but the question is, can they create real evolutionary changes'... Do they really produce new traits?
The answer looks like: “Mutations, yes. Evolution, no.” Give a life to your ignorance, Zombrex, mutations don't help your goddamn evolutionary changes..

WHAT!? Mutations are the fundamentally idea behind evolution! How could they not? A mutation occurs which gives that organism an advantage in living. Because of this it lives longer and gets to pass on its genes. This mutation has now been passed one. A change has occurred.

[dead one]

Originally Posted by doctoremma

A laughable statement on two counts:
1. You've bought into the "conspiracy theory" that creationists like to spread.

doc, I ain't a creationist and i don't know what creationists like to spread.

Originally Posted by doctoremma

2. What evidence of an infinite creator has there EVER been?

Movie has a producer, picture has its maker, What creates artificial intelligence?... The universe has its maker/creator. Isn't it enough evidence, Doc

[smokingman]

Originally Posted by dead one

I was once a heavy smoker.. I believe in an intelligent evolution.

I have no idea what that means so I'll just kindly ask you not to clog any of our doctors surgeries any time you get ill from a virus.

[tommy2bad]

Originally Posted by dead one

doc, I ain't a creationist and i don't know what creationists like to spread.

The same rubbish ID'er spread.

Originally Posted by dead one

Movie has a producer, picture has its maker, What creates artificial intelligence?... The universe has its maker/creator. Isn't it enough evidence, Doc

Only enough to say that something exists, otherwise religion wouldn't need revelation and science wouldn't need evidence.

[doctoremma]

Originally Posted by dead one

Movie has a producer, picture has its maker, What creates artificial intelligence?... The universe has its maker/creator. Isn't it enough evidence, Doc

Nope. You are saying that because humans can design things using their intelligence, the world has been designed with intelligence. I don't see that the conclusion follows the premise.

[Zombrex]

Originally Posted by dead one

Can mutations create real evolutionary changes? Don’t make any errors here. Mutations are true ; they are the things to observe; Yeah, they also make changes in traits: but the question is, can they create real evolutionary changes'... Do they really produce new traits?

A changed trait is by definition a new change. That will by definition produce a new trait. That is what the word "changed" means. Your grasp of English seems as good as your grasp of evolutionary biology.

[Corkfeen]

Originally Posted by dead one

Doc, did baby croc get wings?

I've only studied biology to a Leaving Cert level (and some study outside of that) but you lack a basic understanding to how evolution works. A crocodile did not need wings to survive so they they didn't develop them over millions of years. There's actually something rather beautiful about how the evolutionary process works but it's lost on you....

[dead one]

Originally Posted by doctoremma

No. you clearly don't even understand what evolutionary theory predicts. And that amuses you? Does it mean you think you are in a position to tease?

Hey doc, can you cure me, Can you tell me what does evolutionary theory predict. What is prediction about Human Race. What is future of human race. When will this human race change into another race. Will it remain human or turn to apes again. Doc, can you beat mind such as mine.

Originally Posted by doctoremma

What is the difference between a change in trait (driven by a mutation) and an evolutionary change?

change in traits (driven by a mutation) not by use -- See the below image for example, the image isn't real but it only clearly concept


but that's fantasy of evolution, in reality,, mutations create no of genetic defects like hamophilia etc, and you know what does evolutionary change suppose to mean.... How could this be possible, doc

[dead one]

Originally Posted by Zombrex

A changed trait is by definition a new change. That will by definition produce a new trait. That is what the word "changed" means. Your grasp of English seems as good as your grasp of evolutionary biology.

Originally Posted by shizz

WHAT!? Mutations are the fundamentally idea behind evolution! How could they not? A mutation occurs which gives that organism an advantage in living. Because of this it lives longer and gets to pass on its genes. This mutation has now been passed one. A change has occurred.

two stones, one bird.
Mutation are very rare and mutation are 1000 times more harmful than they are useful, right. Mutation creates no of genetic defects. All this is fantasy which is being shown in media "New traits" ... Some atomic event creates people with gnarled skin---There are 3 major issues that arrest scientific computation from mutational change to evolutionary change.
1. First problem is related to math, as evolutionist will agree with me that mutation are very rare and we are talking about mutations which could change a frog into poet .
2. second problem is mutation often go into the wrong direction. They create certain abnormalities in population.
3. mutations are sometime produce by radiation / replication errors.

Originally Posted by doctoremma

Nope. You are saying that because humans can design things using their intelligence, the world has been designed with intelligence. I don't see that the conclusion follows the premise.

See, it's cycle, design needs human and human needs something to compete the cycle. The same being who is infinite, can't be created

[dead one]

Originally Posted by Corkfeen

I've only studied biology to a Leaving Cert level (and some study outside of that) but you lack a basic understanding to how evolution works. A crocodile did not need wings to survive so they they didn't develop them over millions of years. There's actually something rather beautiful about how the evolutionary process works but it's lost on you....

Hey corkfeen, do you fully understand how evolution works. No one knows how it works The reason is simple because your age isn't enough to see this faith. It is complicated religion and you're it's follower. No one is here who fully understand how does it work.Theory depends on faith. Some of Evolution interpretations are dogmatic. They need a creed of "infinite chance" to explain it. If i lack something then there is lack in your understanding. Because I don't know from whose mind,faith and mouth you've learnt evolution. It's called wisdom

Originally Posted by smokingman

I have no idea what that means so I'll just kindly ask you not to clog any of our doctors surgeries any time you get ill from a virus.

It's a clue, you can create thousand of ideas. Could you please explain in simple English what are you trying to say.

[shizz]

Originally Posted by dead one

two stones, one bird.
Mutation are very rare and mutation are 1000 times more harmful than they are useful, right. Mutation creates no of genetic defects. All this is fantasy which is being shown in media "New traits" ... Some atomic event creates people with gnarled skin---There are 3 major issues that arrest scientific computation from mutational change to evolutionary change.
1. First problem is related to math, as evolutionist will agree with me that mutation are very rare and we are talking about mutations which could change a frog into poet .
2. second problem is mutation often go into the wrong direction. They create certain abnormalities in population.
3. mutations are sometime produce by radiation / replication errors.

I think, judging by the picture you posted, that you consider mutations to be severe abnormalities. This is not the case. Of course mutations can go the wrong way but if they did that would lessen that organisms chance of survival and lessen its chance of passing the mutated gene on. We talk about the good mutations because these are the ones that are advantageous to the organism and are the ones that survive.

[doctoremma]

Originally Posted by dead one

Can you tell me what does evolutionary theory predict.

Evolutionary theory predicts nothing about the future of any species (unless we have particularly good insight into their environmental pressures). Evolution is blind, species can "meander" for great lengths of time, there is no "end-point".

If we know of a specific environmental pressure, we can reasonably make short-term predictions about evolution. Bacteria will evolve to take advantage of a novel nutritional substrate, crabs that live in the dark may lose their eyes. We have observed such predictions in nature and in the lab.

Originally Posted by dead one

What is prediction about Human Race. What is future of human race.

I don't know, there's no plan. I suspect we're going to wipe ourselves out pretty soon. But if we continue to occupy this planet in a reasonably stable environment for the indefinite future, I might predict that we will see an increase in beneficial genetic changes that "protect" against the major biological hazards such as cancer. 8m years ago, there were no chimps and humans, only a single ape ancestor. We're not that different to chimps in modern times, so we'll be waiting a long time for humans to sprout wings.

Originally Posted by dead one

When will this human race change into another race. Will it remain human or turn to apes again.

We ARE apes.

Originally Posted by dead one

Mutation are very rare and mutation are 1000 times more harmful than they are useful, right...second problem is mutation often go into the wrong direction. They create certain abnormalities in population.

Mutations are not rare in the slightest. You were conceived with many may changes in your DNA, compared to either parent. And even now, every time your cells divide, you will have generated new mutations in your DNA.

Mutations are mostly neutral - they cause neither harm nor benefit.

So, we are left only to observe the obvious mutations, those causing distinct benefit and those causing distinct harm. Most may be harmful, but some are not. Some are distinctly beneficial to the host organism. This is the material that evolution works with.

Originally Posted by dead one

we are talking about mutations which could change a frog into poet .

Ever spoken to a frog? How do you know they aren't poets?

And anyway, we aren't talking about mutations that would turn a frog into a poet. Evolution is a tree, not a line. We didn't come from chimps, we came from a common ancestor that split into two populations, one giving rise to modern humans, one giving rise to modern chimps. The frogs we see today are far down their evolutionary line - there's nothing that could possibly turn a frog into Shakespeare.

Originally Posted by dead one

mutations are sometime produce by radiation / replication errors.

Sometimes? As far as I know, and if we count "radiation" to include "general environmental damage", these are the only two processes by which mutations are produced.

Originally Posted by dead one

No one knows how it works...No one is here who fully understand how does it work.

This is simply not true. We know exactly how evolution works. There are refinements made when new genetic phenomena are discovered but these don't change the basic premise - small changes in DNA accumulate over time to change phenotype (the physical makeup of an organism).

Originally Posted by dead one

Theory depends on faith.

Tim Minchin: But evolution is only a theory! ... that - that maybe they feel the same way about the theory of gravity… and they might just float the f*ck away.

There is no "faith" to be had in evolution, in the same way that gravity does not require "faith".

Originally Posted by dead one

They need a creed of "infinite chance" to explain it.

Right, you have a LOT of people on this thread who understand evolutionary theory. Many of them will be scientists, may of them will have top qualifications their field. And all of them will say: evolution does not proceed by chance, it proceeds by the directed non-random process of natural selection. How many times do you need to be told?

[Zombrex]

Originally Posted by dead one

Mutation are very rare

That isn't true

Originally Posted by dead one

mutation are 1000 times more harmful than they are useful

That isn't true

Once again your lack of understanding of this subject is truly staggering.