[gkell3]

Originally Posted by lmaopml

I really do feel for you,

Spare you 'feelings' for students with the talent to figure out what you cannot but unfortunately have to deal with minds like open graves and it looks like you are among this type.

When faced with something as simple as being asked to confirm that within a 24 hour day and all the experiences which God grants you within that day,it corresponds to one rotation of the Earth,no more or no less.You can't do it which makes you no better or worse than a flat Earther.

Nothing worse than a person calling themselves Christian yet working towards destroying it and as for Augustine,at least he could understand that astronomical appearances are far more difficult to assess as opposed to the meaningless nonsense you and the empiricist engage in -

"Some of the brethren raise a question concerning the motion of heaven, whether it is fixed or moved. If it is moved, they say, how is it a firmament? If it stands still, how do these stars which are held fixed in it go round from east to west, the more northerly performing shorter circuits near the pole, so that the heaven (if there is another pole unknown to us) may seem to revolve upon some axis, or (if there is no other pole) may be thought to move as a discus? To these men I reply that it would require many subtle and profound reasonings to find out which of these things is actually so; but to undertake this and discuss it is consistent neither with my leisure nor with the duty of those whom I desire to instruct in essential matters more directly conducing to their salvation and to the benefit of the holy Church." St Augustine

Christians indeed !,how I wish you were.

[Doc Farrell]

Okey dokey.

[gkell3]

Originally Posted by Zombrex

Again a 24 hour day is based on the time between high noons, not the Earth's rotation.

There are 1461 noons in 1461 days which correspond to 4 years and 4 orbital circuits of the Earth.Get back to me when you can say without the slightest hesitation that the 24 hours of Monday followed by the 24 hours of Tuesday keep in step with all the other days and rotations you experience throughout your life.

Of course,being an empiricist,you insist on a mismatch between rotations and days so we have nothing to discuss,the issue is strictly an issue between Christians and their lack of common sense and responsibility to not only the astronomical heritage of the past and genuine great men of science and to students who have to suffer through a cult ideology that is empiricism and its 'scientific method'.

[gkell3]

Originally Posted by Doc Farrell

Okey dokey.

Thankfully none of you have kids as what person calling themselves a parent would insist against the normal correspondence between any given Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and a turning Earth.

Would you go to teach a student that the Earth is flat because it has nothing to do with God's creation,Christ and Christianity ? then welcome to empirical thinking which assigns a 1465 rotation/1461 day imbalance thereby attempting to sever the correspondence between the primary motion of the Earth and its daily effect that we know as the days of the week following each other.

I don't feel for you,just as God is magnificent so is he pitiless to those who are always searching for the 'mind of God' as the empiricists like to think.At the end of that search they will find themselves unable to grasp the most basic fact of all.

[doctoremma]

Originally Posted by gkell3

Get back to me when you can say without the slightest hesitation that the 24 hours of Monday followed by the 24 hours of Tuesday

I can say this without hesitation. I am completely with you.

Now tell me how these solar days, where the earth rotates 360.95 degrees, compare to stellar days, where the earth rotates 360 degrees.

[Doc Farrell]

Doctoremma I really think that a break of 24 hours on this one would do a lot of good.

[lmaopml]

Originally Posted by gkell3

Spare you 'feelings' for students with the talent to figure out what you cannot but unfortunately have to deal with minds like open graves and it looks like you are among this type.

ok gkell, perhaps if you explain your problem than people would understand a little better.

When faced with something as simple as being asked to confirm that within a 24 hour day and all the experiences which God grants you within that day,it corresponds to one rotation of the Earth,no more or no less.You can't do it which makes you no better or worse than a flat Earther.

Um, no it doesn't.

Nothing worse than a person calling themselves Christian yet working towards destroying it and as for Augustine,at least he could understand that astronomical appearances are far more difficult to assess as opposed to the meaningless nonsense you and the empiricist engage in -

I'm open to hearing any arguement that makes sense to me. There is no problem discussing something and learning a thing or two - However, as I said before it's difficult to dicipher your posts and what you are getting at exactly? also, how that ties in with Christianity too and real or non real Christians.

"Some of the brethren raise a question concerning the motion of heaven, whether it is fixed or moved. If it is moved, they say, how is it a firmament? If it stands still, how do these stars which are held fixed in it go round from east to west, the more northerly performing shorter circuits near the pole, so that the heaven (if there is another pole unknown to us) may seem to revolve upon some axis, or (if there is no other pole) may be thought to move as a discus? To these men I reply that it would require many subtle and profound reasonings to find out which of these things is actually so; but to undertake this and discuss it is consistent neither with my leisure nor with the duty of those whom I desire to instruct in essential matters more directly conducing to their salvation and to the benefit of the holy Church." St Augustine

EXACTLY!

Christians indeed !,how I wish you were.

We are. Like it or not -

I'll spend some time later reading through on the astronomy forum to see if they followed any better. Sorry Gkell, perhaps I just don't understand properly.

[Zombrex]

Originally Posted by gkell3

Get back to me when you can say without the slightest hesitation that the 24 hours of Monday followed by the 24 hours of Tuesday keep in step with all the other days and rotations you experience throughout your life.

What are the other rotations I experience in my life? Anyway a day is defined as 24 hours, since it is based on the time between high noons, not the Earths rotation.

A day is officially defined as 86,400 seconds, which is exactly 24 hours

60 (seconds) x 60 (minutes) x 24 (hours) = 86,400 seconds.

A day is not defined as 23 hours 56 minutes. So again you are arguing against a position that doesn't exist. Which again leads me to wonder why you are so angry?

[gkell3]

Originally Posted by Zombrex

What are the other rotations I experience in my life? Anyway a day is defined as 24 hours, since it is based on the time between high noons, not the Earths rotation.

A day is officially defined as 86,400 seconds, which is exactly 24 hours

60 (seconds) x 60 (minutes) x 24 (hours) = 86,400 seconds.

A day is not defined as 23 hours 56 minutes. So again you are arguing against a position that doesn't exist. Which again leads me to wonder why you are so angry?

I assure you and everyone else here,today the 19th April 2012 and all the experiences of God's creation within this 24 hour period is one rotation of the planet.

I see the pseudo-Christian take Augustine out of context when unable to figure out astronomical observations,he does not say it doesn't matter,he determines that it he does not have the capacity or the time to deal with it -

"To these men I reply that it would require many subtle and profound reasonings to find out which of these things is actually so;.." Augustine

Something is really not sinking in,not penetrating into the minds and hearts of readers here,the people promoting the 'theory of gravity',the same people who pour scorn on Christianity,work off a 1465 rotation/1461 day imbalance and do I have to spell this out that this is impossible,the same way a flat Earth is impossible.

A person who can't interpret the experience of God's creation within a 24 hour day as one rotation can't build on that fact no more than they could build on a flat Earth ideology and I really don't rate empiricists in altering to the correct view.

Take a calendar from a wall and count the actual days and rotations from January 1st to December 31st and as this year is a leap year there are both 366 days and 366 rotations of the planet.The idiotic Christian who doesn't get the fact that it was the Church who refined the calendar system to take account that the leap day correction is an over-compensation however appreciation of Church history in this important area is not possible if the dominant fact of one rotation in one 24 hour day is ignored.

[Zombrex]

Originally Posted by gkell3

I assure you and everyone else here,today the 19th April 2012 and all the experiences of God's creation within this 24 hour period is one rotation of the planet.

A day isn't and never has been defined as one rotation of the planet.

It was originally defined as the time between high noons. It is currently defined as 86,400 seconds.

Again you are arguing against a position that never existed. Is that worth getting angry over?

[Corkfeen]

Originally Posted by gkell3

Something is really not sinking in,not penetrating into the minds and hearts of readers here,the people promoting the 'theory of gravity',the same people who pour scorn on Christianity,work off a 1465 rotation/1461 day imbalance and do I have to spell this out that this is impossible,the same way a flat Earth is impossible.

You're posts aren't particularly clear, so I just need to check, do you also doubt the legitimacy of gravity? If so, you've managed to make creationists look sensible in contrast.

[shizz]

Gkell. When will you start realising that the day does not just depend on the earth's rotation, it depends on the earth's movement in its orbit as well.

[doctoremma]

Originally Posted by gkell3

Take a calendar from a wall and count the actual days and rotations from January 1st to December 31st and as this year is a leap year there are both 366 days and 366 rotations of the planet.

Each "rotation" of the planet relative to the sun is more than 360 degrees though.

In your 366 days, the earth has not rotated 366X360 degrees, it has rotated 366x360.98 degrees.

[gkell3]

Originally Posted by doctoremma

Each "rotation" of the planet relative to the sun is more than 360 degrees though.

In your 366 days, the earth has not rotated 366X360 degrees, it has rotated 366x360.98 degrees.

You begin with the fact that all the experiences of the Earth within a 24 hour period is due to the rotation of the planet,then you do what the Egyptians did,consider the number of days against the annual cycle.They discovered that the annual event of the flooding of the Nile did not happen after a continuous cycle of 365 days but an extra day was needed to keep the number of days fixed to the annual flooding event -

on account of the precession of the rising of Sirius by one day in the course of 4 years, therefore it shall be, that the year of 360 days and the 5 days added to their end, so one day as feast of Benevolent Gods [the pharaoh and family] be from this day after every 4 years added to the 5 epagomenae before the New Year, whereby all men shall learn, that what was a little defective in the order as regards the seasons and the year, as also the opinions which are contained in the rules of the learned on the heavenly
orbits, are now corrected and improved" Canopus Decree

This is why we have 3 years of 365 days and 1 year of 366 days where the cycle began on Mar 1st this year and the orbital cycle will end 4 years later on Feb 29th 2016 as the 1461st day and 1461st rotation of this great planet.The leap day is a statement of the fact that daily and orbital motions are completely separate and from there into explaining the Lat/Long system and the AM/PM cycles which is intricate as explaining the workings of a watch or a cell.

You have these Christian blackguards turning a blind eye to the astronomical heritage of the Church and that creature who managed to misdirect the statement of Augustine to excuse the consideration of the topic is no different that those blackguards who turned a blind eye to the rottenness that was going on in this country until we lost out sovereignty.If you can't maintain a standard of one rotation in a 24 hour day then you have all the inspirational qualities and the intellectual standard of a flat Earther.

[doctoremma]

Originally Posted by gkell3

If you can't maintain a standard of one rotation in a 24 hour day then you have all the inspirational qualities and the intellectual standard of a flat Earther.

Please tell me how many degrees you think the earth rotates in one solar day.