[blaze1]

Originally Posted by Kevin Irving

First of all, I don't agree that she should be sent to prison.

However, it's madness that one person can hold up a big project over her love for trees. Also, they haven't planned to cut them down, although there is a risk that some may be damaged. They will be replaced though.

It's all very well having principles until you don't have any electricity because the lines couldn't be replaced. ESB should cut her off, since she seems to think it's so dangerous.

(Edit: Might be best practice, but it's not always possible to place them underground)

I'm sure the money they wasted on bringing the women to court and greasing the judge would have at the very least paid for the ducting for the cabling.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by robbie7730

So once a court order is issued, it is infallible and just, beyond any doubt, and there is no possibility it might be unjust? im sure there are some court orders you might not obey, in the right circumstances.

You can appeal the order, but the person in this case appears not to be doing so.

[Tazz T]

Originally Posted by gatecrash

What gives her the right to totally ignore and disregard a valid court order? If i decide what laws and court orders i will and will not obey does that mean i will be able to get a face book campaign going, and have loads of internet heads standing up for my rights as a obnoxious twat too?

I'm stunned by the amount of people willing to 'stand up' for a laws deliberately created to bypass 'laws made to protect people and their property'. These are laws created by the establishment to get round their own laws legitimately when the need arise.

The iron is there's a big sign outside the ESB building in Dublin, saying 'no skateboarding' on a public area. If you went to protest by putting a tent up you'd be arrested.

Not one of you would take the same stance if it was your property or any other law that infringed on your freedom. Hypocrites the lot of you.

We've become a country full of pussies ready to lie down and get shagged when the powers that be say so.

[stovelid]

I have some sympathy for her but I also don't like the nimby thing of holding up important projects by people who are often reaping the benefits of society (like indirectly or directly benefiting from roads or electricity) themselves but just don't want it on their manor.

By all means replace the trees though even if elsewhere.

[biko]

Originally Posted by Micky Dolenz

Again, the landowner isn't opposed to her land being used. She is objecting to how it's being used.

Oh? I haven't read that. Maybe you can find the source?

This is what I've read "Treacy had objected to the construction of the power line because it would mean the destruction of a substantial number of trees on her land"

"Teresa Treacy was "emotionally attached to her 100 acres of forestry"."

[Bruthal]

Originally Posted by RoundyMooney

Bollocks.

Without lifting a finger, she'd have pocketed 150k. Now she may well have to pay the legal costs, if, as she inevitably will, she keeps kicking up about what amounts to a single mast on her land, and timber clearance to facilitate the line.

They're not knocking her flippin' house, and I'm sick of people putting a daft spinster like her, who never struggled for a bob in her life, forward as some sort of cause de celebre, with the usual would be accompanying disclaimer to the effect that if we didn't jail the bankers, we shouldn't jail her, blah blah blah.

I vote we jail both, and keep the lights on AND the books balanced.

The ESB v the old woman. Id say if it was a lanfill on any of the pro esb posters doorstep, or indeed the overhead line , they would likely not be so in favour, even though they are needed somewhere. Its ok when its someone else though.

But i think its the jail sentence that annoyed people more than the order.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Tazz T

The iron is there's a big sign outside the ESB building in Dublin, saying 'no skateboarding' on a public area. If you went to protest by putting a tent up you'd be arrested.

That only refers to the ESB-owned, but publicly accessible area. Would you like someone skateboarding in your garden?

[Dudess]

It'd be nice for the Indymedia heads if it was just a case of evil company throwing a helpless little old woman (incidentally she's not that old) into prison... but there is just a tad more to it. I don't like the idea of a woman my mother's age going to prison either, but... blame the law?

[StephenHendry]

i think most people would be pissed off with what the esb are doing, it is her land after all and if she allowed them the permission but objected to what the esb were going to do on her land, then couldn't a compromise have been found but instead its come to this, ridiculous. i know you're shagged if you go against a court order but couldn't it have been sorted before it got to this stage

[joseph brand]

Originally Posted by RoundyMooney

Bollocks.

Without lifting a finger, she'd have pocketed 150k. Now she may well have to pay the legal costs, if, as she inevitably will, she keeps kicking up about what amounts to a single mast on her land, and timber clearance to facilitate the line.

They're not knocking her flippin' house, and I'm sick of people putting a daft spinster like her, who never struggled for a bob in her life, forward as some sort of cause de celebre, with the usual would be accompanying disclaimer to the effect that if we didn't jail the bankers, we shouldn't jail her, blah blah blah.

I vote we jail both, and keep the lights on AND the books balanced.

Hear Hear!
I just wish I was in a position to have the ESB 'ask' me for my permission to put a mast somewhere amongst my acres upon acres of land. But Alas, I have a 3 bed semi and a mini garden. Ye wouldn't fit a pylon in my garden.
She's probably minted, and a lonely woman who will have lots of company in jail. Hence her comment about prison not worrying her.
She'll be fine, it's not Guantanamo.

[seamus]

Originally Posted by StephenHendry

couldn't it have been sorted before it got to this stage

Probably.

But she doesn't come across as the most rational person. I imagine her terms were - "Go stick them somewhere else".

The underground argument is a misnomer. You still have to dig up the ground and it's a much more expensive way to run cabling.

It's the same kind of whinging that the hippies did when they were constructing the N11. A few trees being chopped down, inconsequential to the overall area.

As said above, she'll be amply compensated (and she gets yearly rent afaik), so it's a whinge about some bloody trees. She could plant twice as many with the money she'll get.

[Tazz T]

Originally Posted by Victor

That only refers to the ESB-owned, but publicly accessible area. Would you like someone skateboarding in your garden?

Have you ever tried skateboarding in a garden?

But yes, if I had a choice between letting a horde of overpaid ESB workers destroy my garden and letting someone have pleasant picnic or maybe a game of badminton, I'd choose the latter.

[Bruthal]

Originally Posted by Dudess

I don't like the idea of a woman my mother's age going to prison either, but... blame the law?

Or blame how it is sometimes enforced and sentenced to make examples of people for others to see.

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She owns 100 acres of forestry and is letting a subjective beauty stand in the way of needed infrastructure. Not much sympathy. if she owned a 5m squared garden, then maybe. Or if the trees were in fact natural beauty, then id have more sympathy.

[joseph brand]

With people facing evictions (some already evicted) and the rest of the 'real' worries people are facing here. It's this woman who makes the news.

She will be compensated and everything put back, no big deal. Also, is she not pi**ing some people off by blocking the electricity path to other homes? I'm not sure.

Could the ESB not go 'around' her land, or is it that vast as to be a ridiculous idea?

This story, to me, doesn't seem like an 'ESB VS Little Old Lady' battle. Most old ladies/ grannies would abhor the idea of prison.

I notice a lot of these activist types are from old money and somehow don't need to work. Not to moan about them all, but the ones protesting construction of the M3 were just a pain. 'Jobless Crusties' someone called them.